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From Geopak to PCDmis

My company is currently running a retro-fit Mitutoyo that still has Geopak on it. At any moment the Geopak could die. I have been given the task of training all the inspectors how to use PCDmis. Problem is I am new to it myself, and I have never operated the CMM using the Geopak software. I have used alot of information on site to get through most situations. After training a couple of inspectors, they would like to find a way to run it somewhat like the Geopak runs. Ex. Position the probe at an approximate center of a hole at the depth you want to check it at, hit the circle key, tell it how many hits, etc..Basically, do an Auto circle without making a full blown program with alignments an such. We mostly just do round stuff that we can't check any other way. Can PCDmis do this? Or any other suggestions?

Thanks for any input on this subject,
Ron
  • hey RB welcome to the forum,yes pcdemon can do this kinds of things and more,i have use mitutoyo Cosmos is kinda the same basically if your inspectors have a CMM training (a good one) i think the transition from one to another is goin to be easy ,also one member on this forum can give you on site training his name is Jim Jewell send him a PM he would be glad to help you ,hope this helps ...don't forget to fill your personal information
  • My company is currently running a retro-fit Mitutoyo that still has Geopak on it. At any moment the Geopak could die. I have been given the task of training all the inspectors how to use PCDmis. Problem is I am new to it myself, and I have never operated the CMM using the Geopak software. I have used alot of information on site to get through most situations. After training a couple of inspectors, they would like to find a way to run it somewhat like the Geopak runs. Ex. Position the probe at an approximate center of a hole at the depth you want to check it at, hit the circle key, tell it how many hits, etc..Basically, do an Auto circle without making a full blown program with alignments an such. We mostly just do round stuff that we can't check any other way. Can PCDmis do this? Or any other suggestions?

    Thanks for any input on this subject,
    Ron


    Welcome, to access the Auto Features in PCDMISW the hot keys are "Ctrl + F".
  • My company is currently running a retro-fit Mitutoyo that still has Geopak on it. At any moment the Geopak could die. I have been given the task of training all the inspectors how to use PCDmis. Problem is I am new to it myself, and I have never operated the CMM using the Geopak software. I have used alot of information on site to get through most situations. After training a couple of inspectors, they would like to find a way to run it somewhat like the Geopak runs. Ex. Position the probe at an approximate center of a hole at the depth you want to check it at, hit the circle key, tell it how many hits, etc..Basically, do an Auto circle without making a full blown program with alignments an such. We mostly just do round stuff that we can't check any other way. Can PCDmis do this? Or any other suggestions?

    Thanks for any input on this subject,
    Ron


    Ahhhh, Geopak. Those were the days. PL CR CS PN KI LN PP and all that good jibe.

    RB, to do what you want, you would at least need to build a generic program that could be used over and over again. Many will tell you your methodology isn't good, but it sounds like you're using the CMM as bore gauge only in these cases. Build a program that starts with a readpoint, which will give you your center and depth. I think you need to assign variables to obtain the X Y and Z values. You can setup a comment to input the diameter. Now create an auto-circle with the X Y Z variables and diameter input. Make sure your autocircle has sample hits turned off and no depth set. Before Dimensioning the value, you may need a couple more input comments to collect the tolerance if you care to. You should be able to rerun that program anytime you need a diameter reading quickly. You can even loop it with a comment at the end of the loop (inside the loop) to pause the machine while you move to a new part.
  • Ex. Position the probe at an approximate center of a hole at the depth you want to check it at, hit the circle key, tell it how many hits, etc..Basically, do an Auto circle without making a full blown program with alignments an such. We mostly just do round stuff that we can't check any other way. Can PCDmis do this? Or any other suggestions?

    Thanks for any input on this subject,
    Ron


    Hi Ron, welcome to the forum.

    I have a question - and don't take this the wrong way -

    Why do you use a CMM if "alignments and such" aren't required? That's why
    the CMM is used; it's a tool that can correctly align a part (per the specs.)
    and inspect the features. There are other ways to check "just round stuff"
    that will be easier (and maybe faster) than the CMM.
  • Hi Ron, welcome to the forum.

    I have a question - and don't take this the wrong way -

    Why do you use a CMM if "alignments and such" aren't required? That's why
    the CMM is used; it's a tool that can correctly align a part (per the specs.)
    and inspect the features. There are other ways to check "just round stuff"
    that will be easier (and maybe faster) than the CMM.


    I can understand it ir. In some environments, CMM's are needed for some part layouts, but not all the time. The big wigs want justification for their purchase, so you keep it running, even if it's not necessary.

    I would question the upgrade to PCDmis if diameter checks are what the CMM is mostly used for, since Geopak does this sort of thing much faster than PCDmis. Geopak won't die as RB said persay, but maybe the special card used on the PC to interface with the controller might though. And I can imagine they're getting harder and harder to find.
  • Ahhhh, Geopak. Those were the days. PL CR CS PN KI LN PP and all that good jibe.

    RB, to do what you want, you would at least need to build a generic program that could be used over and over again. Many will tell you your methodology isn't good, but it sounds like you're using the CMM as bore gauge only in these cases. Build a program that starts with a readpoint, which will give you your center and depth. I think you need to assign variables to obtain the X Y and Z values. You can setup a comment to input the diameter. Now create an auto-circle with the X Y Z variables and diameter input. Make sure your autocircle has sample hits turned off and no depth set. Before Dimensioning the value, you may need a couple more input comments to collect the tolerance if you care to. You should be able to rerun that program anytime you need a diameter reading quickly. You can even loop it with a comment at the end of the loop (inside the loop) to pause the machine while you move to a new part.


    Sounds good. Thanks KK, This will be my best option. Got any code samples for this? Again thanks for all the responses.
  • 3D Geopak v5.41 to PC DMIS

    Does anyone know of any conversion software that will convert old 3D Geopak(v5.41 running on windows 95) to PC-DMIS(1st choice) or Calypso(2nd option)??

    Or does anyone have any suggestions as to what I can do with the 150+ programs my company has on Mitutoyo Geopak.

    Thanks
    Brian
  • Does anyone know of any conversion software that will convert old 3D Geopak(v5.41 running on windows 95) to PC-DMIS(1st choice) or Calypso(2nd option)??
  • Re-program Brian. It's the best and safest way. Any conversion software will not do a sufficiently good job. Geopak isn't DMIS either and I haven't heard of any conversion software.
    Its painful to re-program but it will pay dividends, not only in the quality of the programs but also the training and development of the individual.

    Neil
  • Does anyone know of any conversion software that will convert old 3D Geopak(v5.41 running on windows 95) to PC-DMIS(1st choice) or Calypso(2nd option)??


    There are none. Both PC-DMIS and Calypso are so uniquely developed that many details will be lost in translation.
    Best practice is to eat the time cost and write all new programs.