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Take me back to 2007 please

In the late summer of 2007 I was pretty happy with Pc-Dmis version 3.7MR3. Sure, the 3.5s and first 3 tries at 3.7 had been rough around the edges and 3.6 a disaster of historical proportion, but 3.7MR3 was stable and mostly trouble free.

It was then that I had my big opportunity to tell my employers what I wanted in a new CMM. The finer indexing capabilities of Zeiss were appealing. I like to learn, so taking on a new software also had enough appeal to outweigh the downside.

A couple of things tipped my decision to stay with the Hexagoon product line. The biggest was the hundreds of existing Pc-Dmis programs on my company's server. And we were keeping the CMM we had, so having both use the same software made sense. While smaller, a still significant part of my decision was this forum and the community of regulars. I "knew" and respected many here, so if I had a problem, I knew I could post here and get answers from a source I trusted.

Since 3.7MR3 I have been underwhelmed with the new versions. I took the Xactmeasure GD&T course and have tried to leave legacy dimensions behind. But after several months I still find it cumbersome, confusing, and often just not ready for real world use. Frankly it is barely up to the point I think a betatest release would be proper as of v2009 about 2 years after you released it!

If I could go back to 2007 and make that decision again, Pc-Dmis would not even get it's hat in the ring.

In fact I am going to be looking into switching to CMM Manager or some other 3rd party software, since replacing both of my CMMs is not an option.

Dear Hexagon, as the cranky old guy used to say, "If that's the best you can do. . . it ain't good enough!" Banning or deleting your critics won't make it better.

Stop releasing junk. Stop thinking you have to have a major release every year. Take 5 years if you need but make your next release the next 3.2063 or 3.7MR3. Make every release after that just as solid and reliable. A number of the best programmers out here in the real world using your software every day feel the same way and are saying the same things. We are tired of getting junk in exchange for our SMA$. One by one we are telling our employers, don't pay the SMA, let's look into other CMM software/hardware options.

You can ban me now, but it won't make what I have said untrue.

-Wes Cisco
  • Sherman, set the dial to 2007 and hold on tight.

  • So, let me see...

    Criticize Hexagon and ya get banned? Wasn't that what Eva and Juan Peron did? How'd that work out for them?
  • I have 3.2063 on one of my machines.... it makes me happy Smiley

  • I took the Xactmeasure GD&T course and have tried to leave legacy dimensions behind. But after several months I still find it cumbersome, confusing, and often just not ready for real world use. Frankly it is barely up to the point I think a betatest release would be proper as of v2009 about 2 years after you released it!

    If I could go back to 2007 and make that decision again, Pc-Dmis would not even get it's hat in the ring.

    -Wes Cisco


    Well said Wes!
    I thought you were happy with Xactmeasure (based on some of your posts).

    But I don't blame you, I also took the course and agree that is cumbersome.

    I still using legacy and DPage as requested by my enginerds. They don't like how Xact reports TP.
  • c'mon Wes, all that bitchin' is just you trying to get a new discounted SMA. Stuck out tongue closed eyes
    seriously though? i'm no guru, but what i've seen in my limited Demon usage both at the machine, and on this forum... is that the Hexagoons need either:
    a) thicker skin.
    b) better coders.
    c) all of the above.
    forget the 'bells and whistles'.
    example: a show of hands, please? how many actually insert a media file into their program? (enhancement in 2010)
    Exterminate the senior bugs before adding 'enhancements' please.
    And whoever deleted the less than favorable comments relating to the "rollout" of 2011?
    learn to lighten up. yeah, you Hexagoons pay for this place, but criticism comes with ANY
    enterprise. you'd do well to listen to your customers, be they large or small.
    For us little fish? our money should speak just as loud as the behemoths.
    Or is it quantity over quality?
    me? i just wasn't wired that way, and am thankful for it......

    BTW, If Mr. Peabody could take the wayback machine software and adapt it to CMMs, i'd be first in line for a license.
    +10, dph51!!
  • 2009MR1 Will be the next "3.7 mr3" in my opinion.
  • b) better coders.
    forget the 'bells and whistles'.


    I am not sure any of us knows enough about the developers and code writers to comment on their abilities. I think you hit the nail on the head with the bells and whistles thing. You can have an army or great software developers and coders but if your resources are misdirected then it is all for naught.

    That would be a top down problem which is what my money is on.
  • anybody out there use "CAD++ 4.3 Release" ?

    I rarely have problems with it.

    oh well, what is the cliche, just my .02

    obviously from my short time here, there are many problems out there with the software.
  • I am not sure any of us knows enough about the developers and code writers to comment on their abilities. I think you hit the nail on the head with the bells and whistles thing. You can have an army or great software developers and coders but if your resources are misdirected then it is all for naught.

    That would be a top down problem which is what my money is on.



    The thing I wonder is how many of the coders are experienced users? One of the biggest problems I have had in my hobby coding is the people using my programs in ways other than I had accounted for, not wrong just different. It kind of causes me to wonder if we as users aren't doing the same thing and causing some of the issues that way. With a program like PCDMIS there are a million ways to do things an I'm betting that most of those are combinations that the people coding never concieved of. I'm not criticizing the people coding I'm just wondering if they have enough experience actually using the software on a day to day basis to cover all of the bases.

    As for "bells and whistles" I definately have to agree. Ever since the advent of 4.x+ the software is trying to do way too many different things in one package, but that's just one man's opinion.