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Answers everyone! How and when did you learn to program on PC-Dmis? What training classes have you taken?

I am going to take my Level 3 Advanced training course in November! I am trying to decide what to take next.
  • I have learned from the forum more than I ever learned from any of the courses I've taken. The in-house training was by far the best. The guy thought me how to apply variables, loops and hoops.

    when I got a job to work with Calypso, I asked for in-house training, after 4 days of training I was able to do very complex programming. I would only recommend in-house training, not by Hex.

    The guy THOUGHT you how to apply variables loops and hoops? I'd steer clear of that mind control Hex stuff too!
  • The guy THOUGHT you how to apply variables loops and hoops? I'd steer clear of that mind control Hex stuff too!

    typo. yeah it was a real eye opener for me back then. I don't just mean Hex, I mean OEM in general. OEM classes are usually limited to what they can teach, they follow curriculum. A lot of the teachers don't have real life experience, and don't understand that parts are not always perfect.

    when you get a 3rd party training, you really get your $ worth. at least this is my opinion.
  • typo. yeah it was a real eye opener for me back then. I don't just mean Hex, I mean OEM in general. OEM classes are usually limited to what they can teach, they follow curriculum. A lot of the teachers don't have real life experience, and don't understand that parts are not always perfect.

    when you get a 3rd party training, you really get your $ worth. at least this is my opinion.


    Thank you....did it for 14 years and actually learned a few things from my students !
  • About 6 months ago Hartwig taught us some things. I've been trolling this place since, figuring things out as I go along. Hence my stupid questions. I like to figure things out though. Never been to classes.
  • I have learned from the forum more than I ever learned from any of the courses I've taken. The in-house training was by far the best. The guy taught me how to apply variables, loops and hoops.

    when I got a job to work with Calypso, I asked for in-house training, after 4 days of training I was able to do very complex programming. I would only recommend in-house training, not by Hex.

    So am I to assume that the previous training you received from Hexagon (and your prior experience) did not help you out prior to the 4 days of THEIR training? If you started from scratch with Calypso (i.e. a brain hard drive erase) and went to 'complex programming' in just 96 hours I'll order up the Zeiss blue plate special as well. Very impressive. Sunglasses
  • I have learned from the forum more than I ever learned from any of the courses I've taken. The in-house training was by far the best. The guy taught me how to apply variables, loops and hoops.

    when I got a job to work with Calypso, I asked for in-house training, after 4 days of training I was able to do very complex programming. I would only recommend in-house training, not by Hex.

    Why don't you recommend the forum over in house training if you've learned more here than from ANY of the courses you've taken? In house isn't cheap and if the forum taught you more anyways...
  • No. That was the only Calypso basic training I received, ofcourse my experience with pc-dmis helped, probably the major reason why I picked up the new software so quick. But my hat goes off to the my trainer Mark Boucher, who did an exptional job in training me and going over some complex features that are not usually part of basic class

    I was also trained by Zeiss almost a year later on more advanced features, it wasnt a class per se, just one day custom class on Profiles, and I wasn't very impressd with them at all. They lacked knowledge of GD&T and real life experience with real parts in the real shop environment. I felt like Mark new more than they did. There was a few times when they did not know what they were doing, I had to jump in and help them. They provided me with wrong information more than one occasion. Two of them showed up, one guy was a real teacher the other guy was a trainee, and I spent most of the time with a trainee, the other guy was just doing something else and would only help out once in a while.

    I also think that Calypso is easier to work with, especially if you have some cmm experience. That is another reason why I was able to learn so fast, and did not need any additional training for a year. After one class, I was able to do everything I needed and much more(Variables PCM, Scanning, BF alignment, cut features in half, VP/SpacePoints and much more), and YES Calyspo portal was another way of learning for me.

    I am recommending the Forums, but as most of you already know that its not enough, you need a basic training regardless of the software. You cannot just learn everything rom forums, especially if you have zero knowledge of the software. Yes I believe that I learned more from the forums, over the years.

    All I am trying to say, is that the third party training IMO is simply the best, from my experience with Hexagon and Zeiss training. Sure it is expensive, BUT it well worth it. All my OEM experience is just bla, out of 10, I give it 6, all of my experience with a third party is 10+

    So am I to assume that the previous training you received from Hexagon (and your prior experience) did not help you out prior to the 4 days of THEIR training? If you started from scratch with Calypso (i.e. a brain hard drive erase) and went to 'complex programming' in just 96 hours I'll order up the Zeiss blue plate special as well. Very impressive. Sunglasses
  • Thank you....did it for 14 years and actually learned a few things from my students !

    you are welcome. I also do in-house training on the side, and the people I train always tell me how much better my training vs OEM is, and how much more they have learned with me and wished they got trained by me from the getco
  • No. That was the only Calypso basic training I received, ofcourse my experience with pc-dmis helped, probably the major reason why I picked up the new software so quick. But my hat goes off to the my trainer Mark Boucher, who did an exptional job in training me and going over some complex features that are not usually part of basic class.....
    .......All I am trying to say, is that the third party training IMO is simply the best, from my experience with Hexagon and Zeiss training. Sure it is expensive, BUT it well worth it. All my OEM experience is just bla, out of 10, I give it 6, all of my experience with a third party is 10+

    thx for the reply, Wolfman. (apologies for abbreviating your quote)
    I was just trying to get a handle on which training (Zeiss v Hexagon) you found more 'enlightening' in the overall scheme of CMM land.
    I would think that personalized instruction (a 1 to 1 basis) would always trump the mass teaching one gets at the 'educational centers'.
    And not to be a wise-guy, I'll offer this:
    I can only speak for Hexagon inasmuch as I've not had Zeiss training. But am willing to bet both companies give their students some kind of cheesy plastic ring-folder with the course outlines, etc from Level 1 training.
    The guy who takes it home and reads it on weekends will be the GOOD programmer, the dude who didn't quite absorb things over 4-5 days and simply returns to work will pretty much suck and be clogging up the help line 12/7.
    I'll paraphrase.... someone once said: " CMM (actually it was GDT) is like the flu... not everyone gets it..."
    am running a bit long in the tooth on this post, but to finish? i think the tools are there, some better than others, but someone with that thirst for knowledge is going to make a better CMM guy than the one who just wants it injected. Sunglasses
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  • its funny you should say this about a cheesy plastic ring-folder. When I originally was trained on Calypso, by Mark Boucher ( 3rd party), he did give me one of his own booklets, which I found very useful, when I was trained by Zeiss one year later, mostly it was a very custom class on how to use Profiles and such which cost us $5500 for one day, the Zeiss tech recommended me to get a book that is normally given to students who complete Level 1 basic course. To which I said, well we just pay you $5500 for one day do you think I can get the book for no charge, to which re replied NO, you must complete the Basic course first.
    I don't know about you, but I find this outrageous.


    thx for the reply, Wolfman. (apologies for abbreviating your quote)
    I was just trying to get a handle on which training (Zeiss v Hexagon) you found more 'enlightening' in the overall scheme of CMM land.
    I would think that personalized instruction (a 1 to 1 basis) would always trump the mass teaching one gets at the 'educational centers'.
    And not to be a wise-guy, I'll offer this:
    I can only speak for Hexagon inasmuch as I've not had Zeiss training. But am willing to bet both companies give their students some kind of cheesy plastic ring-folder with the course outlines, etc from Level 1 training.
    The guy who takes it home and reads it on weekends will be the GOOD programmer, the dude who didn't quite absorb things over 4-5 days and simply returns to work will pretty much suck and be clogging up the help line 12/7.
    I'll paraphrase.... someone once said: " CMM (actually it was GDT) is like the flu... not everyone gets it..."
    am running a bit long in the tooth on this post, but to finish? i think the tools are there, some better than others, but someone with that thirst for knowledge is going to make a better CMM guy than the one who just wants it injected. Sunglasses
    2¢
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