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Was in a production meeting waiting for it to start. People were talking about random things and of course "Covid" gets brought up. (please realize the irony that I am in a closed & unventilated room with these people..because they were willing to share their vaccine status they get to be maskless...because i refuse to share my status they assume i am not vaccinated and therefore force me to wear a mask).

Production Assistant: "Hey, did you all notice how its literally ONLY the engineers and programmers who don't want to get vaccinated? Why is that?"

Machinist: "They have critical thinking skills. Most of the people here (motioning to the room) do what they're told at work and in life".

Room went dead silent, a few people chuckled, am starting to get really turned off by people. =/ Was very uncomfortable sitting there as a "second class" employee with a mask on.
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  • This is the most comedic statement made if you ask me. Why do medications already FDA approved as treatments for other Corona Viruses and other diseases take more time to approve than a new experimental vaccine? You claim to bring logic to the table but it appears you throw it all out the window because you're not looking at it objectively. Your using your bias to make your decision. If you ask me the logical thing to do would be question why something new is being pushed harder than existing treatments. This is not me saying it doesn't work. I am simply stating that I believe it would have been in our best interest to focus our money on pursuing research on already existing treatments.

    Wanna talk facts and data? There are over 286 trials with 4,610 scientists and 411,347 patients all showing that using Hydroxychloroquine ALONE in the early stages of infection reduce hospitalizations by 64%. 75% decrease in mortality. But if not treated early the percentages drop drastically. HCQ is already used to treat a variety of illnesses and is already FDA approved. Why is this not being reported? With a total of 4,665,684 deaths if we had been prescribing HCQ with each positive test there would only be 1,166,421 deaths. That's a totally different situation.

    and those numbers don't include other drugs that can be prescribed with these drugs that could also reduce symptoms and decrease mortality.


    For meds that are not covid related, that are already in use for something else, they normally do studies to see if they actually do anything. They also want to make sure that a medication, tested for a specific illness, doesn't cause a unexpected side effect due to the different illness's symptoms. Aspirin is safe but will do nothing for covid. Hydroxychloroquine was designed for malaria, a non respiratory illness. It eases symptoms but not much was done on the effects of respiratory distress. Minor inflammation in the lungs is no issue with malaria but fatal for covid. It shouldn't take more than a few months to a year to approve something like that normally. The issue is, if there are approved therapeutics, it is harder to get a vaccine approved. Certain groups want the vaccine so bad that they quash anything that may help.

    I also no longer hear about the death rates as much. They talk about all the infected but not the deaths. As a virus mutates, it sacrifices lethality for communicability. This will most likely end up being a seasonal thing, like the flu. Millions get the flu each year and a few thousand die from it. This whole thing has become more political theater than actual medical/public safety issues.
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  • This is the most comedic statement made if you ask me. Why do medications already FDA approved as treatments for other Corona Viruses and other diseases take more time to approve than a new experimental vaccine? You claim to bring logic to the table but it appears you throw it all out the window because you're not looking at it objectively. Your using your bias to make your decision. If you ask me the logical thing to do would be question why something new is being pushed harder than existing treatments. This is not me saying it doesn't work. I am simply stating that I believe it would have been in our best interest to focus our money on pursuing research on already existing treatments.

    Wanna talk facts and data? There are over 286 trials with 4,610 scientists and 411,347 patients all showing that using Hydroxychloroquine ALONE in the early stages of infection reduce hospitalizations by 64%. 75% decrease in mortality. But if not treated early the percentages drop drastically. HCQ is already used to treat a variety of illnesses and is already FDA approved. Why is this not being reported? With a total of 4,665,684 deaths if we had been prescribing HCQ with each positive test there would only be 1,166,421 deaths. That's a totally different situation.

    and those numbers don't include other drugs that can be prescribed with these drugs that could also reduce symptoms and decrease mortality.


    For meds that are not covid related, that are already in use for something else, they normally do studies to see if they actually do anything. They also want to make sure that a medication, tested for a specific illness, doesn't cause a unexpected side effect due to the different illness's symptoms. Aspirin is safe but will do nothing for covid. Hydroxychloroquine was designed for malaria, a non respiratory illness. It eases symptoms but not much was done on the effects of respiratory distress. Minor inflammation in the lungs is no issue with malaria but fatal for covid. It shouldn't take more than a few months to a year to approve something like that normally. The issue is, if there are approved therapeutics, it is harder to get a vaccine approved. Certain groups want the vaccine so bad that they quash anything that may help.

    I also no longer hear about the death rates as much. They talk about all the infected but not the deaths. As a virus mutates, it sacrifices lethality for communicability. This will most likely end up being a seasonal thing, like the flu. Millions get the flu each year and a few thousand die from it. This whole thing has become more political theater than actual medical/public safety issues.
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