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Datum Precedence

Hi all,

Today's conversation is datum precedence.

Should this be A|C|B and can it be A|B|C? (according to asme y14.5)

My understanding is that it SHOULD be A|C|B and that A|B|C is wrong - but it has now turned into a topic of debate as it cannot be found in the standard.
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  • I don't think can/may/must can be found there either (maybe I am wrong) but that is the way it works.

    There are 6 degrees of freedom.

    If it CAN constrain a degree of freedom, and it MAY (because it hasn't been constrained yet) then it must.

    At a guess since I don't have your part, "A" looks like the center bore. CAN it constrain 2 degrees of rotation? YEP, none have been constrained yet. CAN it constrain two axial degrees of freedom? YEP, none have been constrained yet, so "A" constrains 4 of the 6 degrees of freedom.

    Next is "B", the end of the part. CAN it constrain 2 degrees of rotation? Yep, but may it? Nope, both have been constrained already. CAN it constrain 1 axial degree of freedom? YEP, the one it can constrain hasn't been constrained yet. So "B" does 1 axial degree of freedom. We are now at 5 DOF.

    That leaves "C", CAN it constrain 1 degree of rotation? YEP, and it hasn't been constrained yet, so it must. CAN it constrain any axial degrees of freedom? YEP, but it can NOT as all of them have already been constrained. So, it does 1 degree, giving us the 6 of 6 that we need.
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  • I don't think can/may/must can be found there either (maybe I am wrong) but that is the way it works.

    There are 6 degrees of freedom.

    If it CAN constrain a degree of freedom, and it MAY (because it hasn't been constrained yet) then it must.

    At a guess since I don't have your part, "A" looks like the center bore. CAN it constrain 2 degrees of rotation? YEP, none have been constrained yet. CAN it constrain two axial degrees of freedom? YEP, none have been constrained yet, so "A" constrains 4 of the 6 degrees of freedom.

    Next is "B", the end of the part. CAN it constrain 2 degrees of rotation? Yep, but may it? Nope, both have been constrained already. CAN it constrain 1 axial degree of freedom? YEP, the one it can constrain hasn't been constrained yet. So "B" does 1 axial degree of freedom. We are now at 5 DOF.

    That leaves "C", CAN it constrain 1 degree of rotation? YEP, and it hasn't been constrained yet, so it must. CAN it constrain any axial degrees of freedom? YEP, but it can NOT as all of them have already been constrained. So, it does 1 degree, giving us the 6 of 6 that we need.
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