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I have read a number of posts regarding probe calibration and using a Master probe to relate multiple probes. I have a few questions that I did not find the answers in the posts.
Question #1 - If you are using the Master probe for measurement does it affect the relationship of the other probes if you re-calibrate A0/B0 of the Master Probe after answering "N0" to the calibration sphere move. For example - Start of shift the Master probe is calibrated at A0 / B0 and you answer "Yes" the tooling sphere has moved. Now you open a program that uses the master probe for measurement. You want to perform a calibration on the angles that are used in the program. Perform a Marked Used which includes A0/B0. You answer "No" the tool has not moved and perform calibration. Is the relationship of the other probes and angles lost???

Question #2 - Is it necessary to calibrate Master Probe every time the machine is homed??

PC-DMIS 2014.1

Thanks for your help
Scott
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  • You reset the master probe to THEO and calibrate it with "yes, the sphere has moved"; the THEO offsets of the master tip are used to calculate the position of the sphere. You then calibrate all other probes. An unbroken chain of relations.

    Now, if you calibrate the master tip answering "no", some deviation (machine uncertainty, different temperature, vibrations from a truck, etc.) will give the master probe MEAS offsets that differ from THEO (more or less), which will affect the relation between master and everything else until everything else is calibrated. It is a broken calibration chain, although with (mostly) very small deviations. But larger errors may lurk in the background... Read on!

    Next time you calibrate the master with "yes, the sphere has moved" these deviations will be in use when calculating the position of the sphere, consequently included as an error in the calculated position of the sphere. This error will be included in the offsets of every probe that is now calibrated.

    If you use different probes when you answer "Yes, the sphere has moved", each time you add a small offset to the sphere position - statistically these will cancel out, and the sphere will still be almost correctly located, but it is (relatively) easy to devise a sequence of calibrations that will consistently move the sphere more and more away from its actual location, adding more and more offset to the calibrated probes, until you finally can't calibrate a probe which is reset to THEO because it misses the sphere (or collides with it).

    - OT -

    For the historically interested, the physical procedure on a Johansson CMM with our older softwares was different. The sphere locating process always began with measuring a calibrated hole in the table to 'locate/calibrate the probe' (this is echoed in PC-DMIS by resetting the probe to THEO), and then locating the sphere.


    What he said.....

    The MASTER PROBE A0B0 should show "perfect" in all ways except diameter, if it doesn't, it is time to reset tips and re-cal the entire rack.
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  • You reset the master probe to THEO and calibrate it with "yes, the sphere has moved"; the THEO offsets of the master tip are used to calculate the position of the sphere. You then calibrate all other probes. An unbroken chain of relations.

    Now, if you calibrate the master tip answering "no", some deviation (machine uncertainty, different temperature, vibrations from a truck, etc.) will give the master probe MEAS offsets that differ from THEO (more or less), which will affect the relation between master and everything else until everything else is calibrated. It is a broken calibration chain, although with (mostly) very small deviations. But larger errors may lurk in the background... Read on!

    Next time you calibrate the master with "yes, the sphere has moved" these deviations will be in use when calculating the position of the sphere, consequently included as an error in the calculated position of the sphere. This error will be included in the offsets of every probe that is now calibrated.

    If you use different probes when you answer "Yes, the sphere has moved", each time you add a small offset to the sphere position - statistically these will cancel out, and the sphere will still be almost correctly located, but it is (relatively) easy to devise a sequence of calibrations that will consistently move the sphere more and more away from its actual location, adding more and more offset to the calibrated probes, until you finally can't calibrate a probe which is reset to THEO because it misses the sphere (or collides with it).

    - OT -

    For the historically interested, the physical procedure on a Johansson CMM with our older softwares was different. The sphere locating process always began with measuring a calibrated hole in the table to 'locate/calibrate the probe' (this is echoed in PC-DMIS by resetting the probe to THEO), and then locating the sphere.


    What he said.....

    The MASTER PROBE A0B0 should show "perfect" in all ways except diameter, if it doesn't, it is time to reset tips and re-cal the entire rack.
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