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Question about the small arc method

Hello all!

Please let me know if I am doing something wrong following the small arc method.

Btw, I am using vector points and auto circles with NO CAD always in DCC mode. Let's also assume that I am measuring in Z plane.

1) I am measuring the small arc with a fixed radius auto circle.
2) I am setting my origin XY to this circle.
3) Just to be sure I am repeating with a new auto circle fixed radius and realign to it.
4) I am taking 3 vector points in polar coordinates to be precise.
5) I am reporting the PR of the points.

This morning I had a 80deg on an arc R2.8mm to measure. I used this method and I was getting repeatable results at 2.80. The issue is that the radius has been measured to be 2.75mm (verified with 2 other methods also).

I also tried to change the fixed rad value based on the R measurement I had performed before with least squares (around 2.75 non repeatable value) and I was getting results close to that value (the least square value).

With this method, does the fixed Radius value provided alter the centre that is being found? Doesn't this beat the purpose of using this method?

Thanks in advance!
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  • theoretical center is more estimation than measurement the smaller arc and radius are

    you can take 10 pieces from different days of production and you will see they are all different you will find differences with your eye no need any profile or microscope for this :)  

    i spend lot of time with alignments on ~~ R1  arcs, with tip 1mm calibrated on ~~0.003 mm it was not accurate enough 

    When you take any 3 points on some arc drawn in CAD you always have same results, but make one point of arc moved 0.01mm and see your results, then move it along the arc few times

    While see small arcs on profile testers  you find out they have roundness, waviness, roughness, they are always rotated around its TED center, more if are smaller 

    While measuring R0.2mm sometimes you can say "its not even a part of circle" its just some parabolic shape or what ... 

    I saw measurement of R0.7 but it was never few points 

    in my opinion need accurate machine to measure small radius with small angular coverage, use always smallest probe you can, take as much points like profile tester - not 10 but 1000 5000 because your machine needs some data for least squares method calculation and for filtering surfaces and measurement errors , and do it like on profile tester - scan not only arc but surfaces close to it so you can choose and decide (even with every single measurement)  witch points you consider as circle and what are rather part of surrounding planes. 

    Or just do it on profile tester its usually better, because some things need just too much luck do be done 

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  • theoretical center is more estimation than measurement the smaller arc and radius are

    you can take 10 pieces from different days of production and you will see they are all different you will find differences with your eye no need any profile or microscope for this :)  

    i spend lot of time with alignments on ~~ R1  arcs, with tip 1mm calibrated on ~~0.003 mm it was not accurate enough 

    When you take any 3 points on some arc drawn in CAD you always have same results, but make one point of arc moved 0.01mm and see your results, then move it along the arc few times

    While see small arcs on profile testers  you find out they have roundness, waviness, roughness, they are always rotated around its TED center, more if are smaller 

    While measuring R0.2mm sometimes you can say "its not even a part of circle" its just some parabolic shape or what ... 

    I saw measurement of R0.7 but it was never few points 

    in my opinion need accurate machine to measure small radius with small angular coverage, use always smallest probe you can, take as much points like profile tester - not 10 but 1000 5000 because your machine needs some data for least squares method calculation and for filtering surfaces and measurement errors , and do it like on profile tester - scan not only arc but surfaces close to it so you can choose and decide (even with every single measurement)  witch points you consider as circle and what are rather part of surrounding planes. 

    Or just do it on profile tester its usually better, because some things need just too much luck do be done 

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