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"Default" Math Vs "Legacy"?

What are we calling the new default Geo-Tol math? "New Math"? "Default Math"?
I remember this gun fight a loooong time ago, it ended up bad for Hexagon and us also.
what I mean is:
The "New Math" best fits a little too aggressive for me compared to "Legacy". Last time I had reports coming out with perfect true position our customer Lockheed Martin mopped the floor with Pc-Dmis and started the whole ISO Best-Fit shootout, disallowing us to use Pc-Dmis best fit algorithms. The "New Math" best fits also. Here is a comparison:



What do you think?
and can we come up with a disparaging term like "New Math" other than "Geo-Tol"? or "Geo out-of Tol"?

thx
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  • Zeiss painted themselves into this corner a long time ago. Intending to make CMM programming accessible to a broader group of human types, they built rigid inflexibility into their software at a very rudimentary level. A strong point of Pc-Dmis is user control of probing and mathematical evaluations of that data in a very good spectrum of manufacturing. Perhaps a radio button enabling the use of Datum shift or added bonus after the evaluation?

    What do I do with my pitchfork and torch now?

  • Yeah, or maybe just don't put the MMB modifier on the datum?

    Is someone pointing a gun at your head making you put that on there?

    You want a button to disable the datum shift modifier you put in the CMM program? Unless this is model based definition and is somehow forcing the use of the modifier (which I'm pretty sure PcDmis doesn't do), just don't put it on when you create the data output.

    I never use boundary modifies on datums. If we can't make the part right without datum shift (which should be ONE shift moving ALL your outputs not a moving shift feature to feature) they can make the part again.

    Hell, I don't even give the machinists MMC, with the singular exception of continuous feature (position .000 at MMC).

    I'm not getting into a pissing match with a customer over bonus tolerance. If we make the part with the reduced tolerance of taking the bonuses off, the customer will always find the part in print. Even if I ship it at a position of .0100 out of a .0100 requirement.

    I'm confused on where you are going with this.

    I also prefer legacy, but not for the reasons given here.
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  • Yeah, or maybe just don't put the MMB modifier on the datum?

    Is someone pointing a gun at your head making you put that on there?

    You want a button to disable the datum shift modifier you put in the CMM program? Unless this is model based definition and is somehow forcing the use of the modifier (which I'm pretty sure PcDmis doesn't do), just don't put it on when you create the data output.

    I never use boundary modifies on datums. If we can't make the part right without datum shift (which should be ONE shift moving ALL your outputs not a moving shift feature to feature) they can make the part again.

    Hell, I don't even give the machinists MMC, with the singular exception of continuous feature (position .000 at MMC).

    I'm not getting into a pissing match with a customer over bonus tolerance. If we make the part with the reduced tolerance of taking the bonuses off, the customer will always find the part in print. Even if I ship it at a position of .0100 out of a .0100 requirement.

    I'm confused on where you are going with this.

    I also prefer legacy, but not for the reasons given here.
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