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Total indicated runout: A test

You guys will like this one.

So we are trying to establish the best way to measure TOTAL INDICATED RUNOUT. TIR.
We have a 15X22X10 GLOBAL S with a HPSX1 2.5° indexing head and a 5mm x 50mm tip (standard ruby)
We also have a MCMASTER CARR ordered 12'' long Ø1.5 steel bar. Accuracy of this bar isn't terribly critical although I think MMC guarantees less than .001'' over 12''.

We are going to be making parts in our shop sometimes with .0002 TIR and equally tight diameter tolerances.

I have created a basic test to see how accurately and repeatable this machine is.

STEP1: measure the shaft at 0,0 to establish cylinder

STEP 2: at 90,180 measure 1'' of Yminus end using 2 different POINT DENSITY's. 1. @ 6pnt/mm 2 @ 10pnt/mm SCAN SPEED IS 5MM / ACCEL IS 5MM FOR BOTH SETS
(ADAPTIVE CYLINDER CONCENTRIC CIRCLE SCAN)

STEP 3: rinse repeat on Yplus using 90,0
STEP 4: Paste Pattern 10x
STEP 5: REPORT TIR from ymin CYL to yplu CYL for each corresponding speed. For clarity, I am reporting YPLU to YMIN TIR, so i'm just checking end to end)

results are that the lower point density is netting better results by about .0002 (ex 6pnt = TIR .00064 10pnt= TIR .00088)
diameters measure within .0001 each side with both speeds.


THOUGHTS?

(i dont want to MF'ing hear that the CMM isn't the best way to check TIR. i know this. i want to know what i can do on this CMM to achieve the most accurate results. )
  • You can try a custom disk, I have one that is something like 24mm on an M2 shank.

    Lets me go straight down and hit a groove in the bottom of a 26" deep bore so that I can move the ram without it hitting the wall of the part.

    Only two tips might be giving you problems as you aren't pulling hits with a good spread.

    Disks have their own problems with size and qualification, but if you aren't articulating the head and just taking hits which actuate the probe in the same vectors, disks work well.
    (I didn't mention this... matters a TON with something like a TP20. If you are hitting at straight along the Y axis, the probe feels different resistance going Y+ versus Y-, so make sure you are actuating the probe in the same vectors, hit for hit, to eliminate any trigger force errors in your runout, to the extent you can.)
  • another thing i thought of:

    when in each respective axis, ie, yplus and yminus(A90B180, A90B0), how much does direction, CCW, CW matter when taking scans?