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How to account for ASME Rule #1 in PC DMIS?

I've been doing some GD&T training lately and one thing that seems to complicate things for me is Rule #1 (aka the Envelope Principal). It states that at MMC, a feature must have perfect form and as it departs from MMC, a form error is allowed in the amount equal to the deviation from MMC. Unless there is a form callout that further refines and limits it. Say I have to add a flatness dimension for Datum A as shown below. The flatness comes in at 0.08, which is within tolerance. BUT there are at least 6 other features on this part that are dimensioned to Datum A. If the 23 +/- 0.5 for example measures at 23.45, that only allows me a form deviation of 0.05. The flatness is now out of tolerance. But how do I get PC DMIS to account for that? The flatness is still going to report in tolerance at 0.08, even though Rule #1 has now been violated. Worse yet, (and this is just rhetorical) how do I tell the shop supervisor that I have to reject his parts even though the flatness is reporting in tolerance when it's actually not?
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  • Your question and answer don't make sense with the diagram you posted. The size and flatness are independent of each other in that diagram. The only way the width size would come into play is if MMC/LMC were called out in the flatness FCF. If that were the case, the width size would allow for more flatness tolerance on the derived median plane as it departed from MMC/LMC.

    Check out RIDER's pics. They say a lot.
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  • Your question and answer don't make sense with the diagram you posted. The size and flatness are independent of each other in that diagram. The only way the width size would come into play is if MMC/LMC were called out in the flatness FCF. If that were the case, the width size would allow for more flatness tolerance on the derived median plane as it departed from MMC/LMC.

    Check out RIDER's pics. They say a lot.
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