hexagon logo

How to account for ASME Rule #1 in PC DMIS?

I've been doing some GD&T training lately and one thing that seems to complicate things for me is Rule #1 (aka the Envelope Principal). It states that at MMC, a feature must have perfect form and as it departs from MMC, a form error is allowed in the amount equal to the deviation from MMC. Unless there is a form callout that further refines and limits it. Say I have to add a flatness dimension for Datum A as shown below. The flatness comes in at 0.08, which is within tolerance. BUT there are at least 6 other features on this part that are dimensioned to Datum A. If the 23 +/- 0.5 for example measures at 23.45, that only allows me a form deviation of 0.05. The flatness is now out of tolerance. But how do I get PC DMIS to account for that? The flatness is still going to report in tolerance at 0.08, even though Rule #1 has now been violated. Worse yet, (and this is just rhetorical) how do I tell the shop supervisor that I have to reject his parts even though the flatness is reporting in tolerance when it's actually not?
 ​​

Attached Files
Parents
  • Thank you Caemgen. That was very clear. It looks like I will have to reach out to the trainer and ask them to explain why they think their answer and their overall take on flatness is correct. I'm certainly not trying to discredit anyone at the training company or here on the forum. The bottom line is I have two highly qualified parties telling me two different things and as a relative newbie, I don't know how to determine who is correct. But thank you again everyone for all of your advice. If nothing else, at least I learned a few other things in the process.
Reply
  • Thank you Caemgen. That was very clear. It looks like I will have to reach out to the trainer and ask them to explain why they think their answer and their overall take on flatness is correct. I'm certainly not trying to discredit anyone at the training company or here on the forum. The bottom line is I have two highly qualified parties telling me two different things and as a relative newbie, I don't know how to determine who is correct. But thank you again everyone for all of your advice. If nothing else, at least I learned a few other things in the process.
Children
No Data