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Best fit alignment for troubleshooting manufacturing processes?

Can someone explain how a best fit alignments used to troubleshoot manufacturing processes?

Pros/ cons of best fit vs normal alignment?

I'm having a hard time understanding how using a best fit would help with troubleshooting over a normal alignment. 

Please provide detail in explanations.

Thanks. 

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  • If you are using best-fit alignments to troubleshoot your process, getting to the end result of that troubleshooting will take a looooong time compared to using a "regular" alignment.

    Scenario:
    Bolthole pattern with one (1) hole as outlier (out of tolerance).

    Using a best-fit alignment using all the holes will look for the alignment with the smallest sum of all errors.This means that the alignment will disperse the total deviation (for that one single hole) over the entire set of holes. All the holes that wasn't causing any concern has now gotten a share of the deviation from that one outlier (one deviating hole). Giving this report to a machinist will make that machinist adjust *all* the holes instead of that one (1) hole. Rinse and repeat...

    Using a "regular" geometric/prismatic alignment, possibly following the drawing or the machining setup would probably tell you that this one (1) hole is out of spec. Giving that report to the machinist will (hopefully) make him/her change the settings for that one hole and not touching the in-spec ones.

    Even if the drawing would say that it is OK to use a best-fit alignment, if you are on the manufacturing side of the part, you should not use best-fit during manufacturing - only for final inspection (checking it per the drawing). During the manufacturing/machining process you should use the same alignment as the manufacturing setup (the machining setup) uses, in order to be able to be useful for those people. If you manage to make a part that is within tolerance using the machining setup it will most likely pass through the final verification where the drawing allows for best-fit.

  • This explanation makes sense for the type of information a normal alignment shows us when measuring parts but what would be the benefit of using a best fit? Training said to use best fits to troubleshoot manufacturing processes but doesn't explain exactly how. Maybe the point is that it rules out variation in the datums? I can look back in my slides and see where it says that, but my engineer has been asking if I can do "best fits" and I'm not sure exactly what they are trying to test by asking me to use it.

  • he is trying to get you to pass a part that isn't in tolerance to the datums.

  • I don't get that impression from him. I think he is really trying to get me to figure out how to use it as a tool. We do production as well as R&D. Maybe the better question is, "what is the point of best fits?" I mean if all we ever needed was a normal alignment then why even offer the best fits in PC-Dmis? I feel like we're missing something here.  

  • Well, if you include the datums together with the other toleranced features the total deviation of all of them will be spread across the features in the best fit alignment. So, if your datums were correct, they now get a slice of that deviation caused by other features. 

    There are several use cases for best fit, but as I said earlier, if I was in manufacturing I would never use that for parts going out to customers, instead I'd choose the "tougher " way by using the machining datums and evaluate through that setup. After that has been cleared and passed, I'd do a check final according to the drawing (that allows for best fit) and ship that protocol along with the parts. This final protocol (using best fit) should show better results than with the machining setup evaluations.

  • if he doesn't know how to use it, then he is looking for work-arounds, how does he even know about it?  The only uses I have ever found for best-fit are:

    (1) NO datums on a 3D free-form part to balance the entire part, every feature checked and used.

    (2) Getting the bottom segment of a TP to report the relationship of the holes without the use of GeoTol or the other thing that have/had.

    I'm not saying those are the only uses, but in 30-some years, those are the only uses I have used it for.

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  • if he doesn't know how to use it, then he is looking for work-arounds, how does he even know about it?  The only uses I have ever found for best-fit are:

    (1) NO datums on a 3D free-form part to balance the entire part, every feature checked and used.

    (2) Getting the bottom segment of a TP to report the relationship of the holes without the use of GeoTol or the other thing that have/had.

    I'm not saying those are the only uses, but in 30-some years, those are the only uses I have used it for.

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