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Axis of a cylinder as Datum A - Datum B is, or is not, parallel to the Datum A plane

I thought I'd revive this discussion. I've searched the forums and read the other threads on using the axis of a cylinder as Datum A. I don't think they answered the question I have here.

With reference to the print below, if I use the "Level Z+ to the cylinder" guideline, then in relation to the print, Z+ is pointing to the right (presuming vector directions). Then, it seems that the Datum B plane is PARALLEL to the [piece of paper] Datum A "plane", and therefore can't constrain rotation of the Z+ plane.

Now, the engineer insists that I'm wrong because the datum callout is to the AXIS of the cylinder, which is indeed perpendicular to Datum B.

My question is, how do I achieve this in PC-DMIS? If I construct a line in the Z+ workplane from A to C, and then use that to constrain the rotation, am I not effectively replacing Datum B with Datum C? Then Datum B simply becomes the place to put the Z origin.

How would you gurus approach this?

Another issue - the Datum C hole asks for A(M) - if Datum A is merely the axis line of the cylinder, can we even say it's a feature "of size"?

Also, would you probe Datum C as a cylinder, or as a circle with sample hits?




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  • Your print gives fully defined instructions.



    New alignment that RECALLS STARTUP....
    Level to -A-
    Rotate -A- to -C- in the vector direction the features make ABOUT whatever you leveled to
    -A- is X&Y origin. -B- is Z origin.



    Regarding -C-...you can measure it as either a circle or cylinder. Looks like you'd be good with a circle in this case & sure why not? Use sample hits, it can't hurt...
    I use circles if I have a lot of tolerances and don't need to use that geometry for any fancy GD&T like concentricity or runout.

    Be careful! A2 is rotating twice. A2 is also an alignment that is fully defined with 6 DOF yet is recalling an alignment that isn't STARTUP (unnecessary). Finally, A2 's XYZ origins are out of order. When I train people, I always instruct them to LEVEL, ROTATE, XYZ IN THAT ORDER EVERY TIME so you're alignments are always "good"/you don't forget anything.
  • "B" is a plane perp to "A", how can it origin 2 axis?
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