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SPC non-value added function??

Stopping to convert transction dates (OMG) to what part that is sucks. Reduce Que time. Owners and production control want to see the CMM beeping all day. Customers want clear, simple, concise reports and they want it thier way. What keeps my machine running is the efficiency of the off-line support. Don't mean to whine SPC is a value added function but needs to delegated to support personal and not need Key personal to make sense of the data. The data output needs to be stand alone. It needs to be a more proactive and not reactive system. Machines need to run and customers need there reports and a realtime system that isn't DOG and Pony is the answer. Further stand alone with more automation. Hoping the new datapage release embraces the shortcommings that have been on the table for quite sometime and can further automate the system and get people back to reducing que time.
  • Stopping to convert transction dates (OMG) to what part that is sucks. Reduce Que time. Owners and production control want to see the CMM beeping all day. Customers want clear, simple, concise reports and they want it there way. What keeps my machine running is the efficiency of the off-line support. Don't mean to whine SPC is a value added function but needs to delegated to support personal and not need Key personal to make sense of the data. The data output needs to be stand alone. It needs to be a more proactive and not reactive system. Machines need to run and customers need there reports and a realtime system that isn't DOG and Pony is the answer. Further stand alone with more automation. Hoping the new datapage release embraces the shortcommings that have been on the table for quite sometime and can further automate the system and get people back to reducing que time.

    Have you looked at the "MONITOR" function of Datapage? I have looked at it, once or twice, never really to do ANYTHING with it, but it is my understanding that with this running, it will be "REAL TIME" information. It will update automatically to show the SPC outcome of the processes you are monitoring. Without being in a production environment, I never did any more than look at it. Might need a class to "get it" so that it will do all that you want it to do. Color-coding, GREEN is great, yellow is warning, RED is BAD, that kind of thing.
  • Thanks Matt ~ Keep on trucking ~ Monitor it is ~ should keep me quiet for a while ~ LOL
  • Thanks Matt ~ Keep on trucking ~ Monitor it is ~ should keep me quiet for a while ~ LOL

    The MONITOR 'section" is the one and only reason they have "RT" on the end of Datapage RT, for real time. I have NOT ever chatted or talked to anyone that actually used that, so I can't give you any more help other then the fact of it's existance.
  • Well they say the squeaky wheel gets the most oil. This is perhaps the reason why the development of the software appears to be behind the times. The field demand determines the need for the software enhancements and Pc-dmis is more under the microscope then datapage quite obviously. For me SPC is now being put under the microscope to meet a particular (well paying) Customers demands. I believe that SPC can deliver the tools to benefit manufacturing to where internally we can justify it and not have to do it under duress. Thanks as always Matt!
  • I always output all results to Datapage, even if they are not used, even if I don't think I'll need them. Then later customer requests analysis, or has a question, or needs results in Excel, I go into Datapage (machine can be running, doesn't matter) and zap up reports no problem. The trick is to get into the habit of naming your programs, turning stats on, and backing up your database (backing up everything actually).

    This takes only a couple of minutes a day, well worth the small amount of effort.

    What's hard is trying to put the data into Datapage AFTER the parts are run.
  • I always output all results to Datapage, even if they are not used, even if I don't think I'll need them. Then later customer requests analysis, or has a question, or needs results in Excel, I go into Datapage (machine can be running, doesn't matter) and zap up reports no problem. The trick is to get into the habit of naming your programs, turning stats on, and backing up your database (backing up everything actually).

    This takes only a couple of minutes a day, well worth the small amount of effort.

    What's hard is trying to put the data into Datapage AFTER the parts are run.

    I do the same, EVERYTHING in EVERY program gets saved to Datapage.

    HOWEVER, can YOU (Brian) give us ANY enlightenment on the "operation" of MONITOR?
  • Monitor watches the Datapage database, and will show the pretty colors for parts, and for dimensions when they are out of tol, out of control or both.

    It's pretty simple, I think if you check out the helpfile it describes more. I think you can also doubleclick on part numbers and dimensions and get some graphs.

    It's great for monitoring a process.
  • You will need to CALCULATIONS on in the pcdmis STATS command for monitor to work.
    And the RT worked quite well back in the UNIX days with MM4.