What is Quindos? Like it?

from a biased Quindos user

Bill/Wingman,
Contact me and I can give you my opinion (but see not above). However, I can also give you names/contact info of additional users/customers


Steven Wojciechowski
Applications Engineer
Hexagon Metrology
(401) 886-2715

Steven, I am no longer at the company that uses Quindos. Even so, I don't think I could have gone to training anyway. That company is not training friendly and Mark B is the type of guy to send himself to training and not send the actual guy running the machine.
(Whatever)

Anyway, I agree that Quindos is arguably the best out there. Does way more than most software out right now. Wish I had a chance to learn it more.

Thanks to EVERYONE for your response. I received a call from the company that uses Quindos and Calypso and expect to go to the next level with an interview. There does not seem to be much activity / support for Quindos on this forum and that sucks. Is there a place with more support?
Thanks,

Wingman
the good news is that if they have both Calypso and Quindos they're probably using Calypso for the everyday stuff and Quindos for the tricky analysis. You being an expierenced PCD user the transition to Calypso should be easy, they do the same suff just a little different approach. Picking up Calypso quickly should give you the time to pound on Quindos for the tricky stuff. There's a pretty good forum for Calypso users on the Zeiss website.

Jerome
QUINDOS 6 7
PCD 4.2MR2
CALYPSO 3.8 4.2

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Quindos 6 and 7

Our company has been working with Quindos since 1995. We mainly manufacture gearboxes and gears for the aerospace industry. As for inspecting prismatic parts, there has not been any geometry that we have not been able to inspect. If you can get a probe to it, it can be evaluated. Special form and shapes are easy to evaluate using best fit techniques including graphical plotting.

As for measuring gear products , Quindos is second to none. We also have dedicated gear measuring equipment, but when there are questions about the integrity of a workpiece, we always will revert back to Quindos for an opinion that we know is correct. The interface to Gleason spiral Bevel gear software works perfectly. Back when we purchased the Spiral Bevel Gear package we did correlations with Gleason on their Zeiss machine, and all deviations from their measurements were within 1 micron.

The support we receive from Steve at Hexagon is prompt and precise. When we have gear related problems, MTWZ's Quindos Hotline is excellent. MTWZ has also been very receptive to enhancement requests and improvements.

you never go back...

I'm using only Q7-Gear , it is perfect. Tried PCDGear but turned back to Q7. PCDGear seems easy but not really.

Refresh

Our company is considering a refurb B&S bridge CMM and later on adding a gear inspection capability to it. We will inspect purchased AGMA 10 quality gearing in spiral bevel and helical. We have a gearing design guy on site but nobody to my knowledge with gear inspection or gear cutting experience anymore. Our main CMM operator has about 1 year experience with Faro arms and has no experience with bridge CMMs, PC-DMIS, or gearing inspection. I'm guessing our CMM activity with be gearing about 20% of the time.

1) Given a few months to work with PC-DMIS every day for regular programming, would our user be ready to use PC-DMIS Gear or Quindos?

2) I'm told that Quindos is better than PC-DMIS Gear for profile and lead inspection but both can do it. Is it worth buying Quindos if this is the only advantage?

Dave

Our company is considering a refurb B&S bridge CMM and later on adding a gear inspection capability to it. We will inspect purchased AGMA 10 quality gearing in spiral bevel and helical. We have a gearing design guy on site but nobody to my knowledge with gear inspection or gear cutting experience anymore. Our main CMM operator has about 1 year experience with Faro arms and has no experience with bridge CMMs, PC-DMIS, or gearing inspection. I'm guessing our CMM activity with be gearing about 20% of the time.

1) Given a few months to work with PC-DMIS every day for regular programming, would our user be ready to use PC-DMIS Gear or Quindos?

2) I'm told that Quindos is better than PC-DMIS Gear for profile and lead inspection but both can do it. Is it worth buying Quindos if this is the only advantage?

Dave

Dave,
My Quindos experience is limited, but I have been using PCDMIS for three years
and MeasureMax about eight, with two year's worth of Romer thrown in for
fun, so take this info with a grain of salt:

1) I've never used PCDMIS Gear, but I can tell you there are ZERO similarities
between Quindos and PCDMIS. Nothing is the same. PCDMIS experience will
help very little in using Quindos.

2) That may partially depend on the CMM and what controllers it uses -
Don't know if the B&S would be a good candidate for Quindos or not. it also
depends on which software salesman you talk to -

Thanks for you thoughts.

How long would you guess it takes for a user to learn to inspect helical gears with Quindos? We do use custom lead and profile forms, not standard tooth profiles.

Dave

A guess?

If the user has decent background knowledge in basic requirements such as:
Proper CMM Alignments
GD&T (interpretation AND application)
that will speed things up.

At minimum, a week of basic training is required before even turning Qindos on.

Everything in Quindos is Quindos-specific:
Feature creation
Feature naming
Alignment creation
Alignment activation (in PCDMIS when an alignment is created it also becomes
the active alignment; not so in Quindos)
and anything else you can think of.

It uses databases (about 20 or so)to store/retrieve all information, not files
like PCDMIS. Totally different.

Example:
Our CMM (Leitz) is used to measure helical screw gears (maybe similar to
what you're looking at. We inherited the machine and the associated
products when a recently-purchased facility was shut down and moved to
our location.) That application has its own set of specific commands
for feature creation, alignments, measuring lead & profile, etc.

I went through a week of training - the first couple days were on some basic
stuff, the last 2 1/2 days were on the specific inspection program that the
trainer had written. It took HIM 2 weeks to write it, and 2 weeks to prove it
out on-site, and he is the expert.

So -
"How long would you guess it takes for a user to learn to inspect helical gears with Quindos?"

IF the individual's time is devoted to the CMM, and IF he/she has a good
background and Quindos training -

I'd give it 2 - 3 months, if starting from scratch.
If part of the training includes writing (or starting) an inspection program for
production use, maybe half that.

This is just a guess, remember. HTH

Please keep in mind that the 4 weeks of development (2 weeks off-site and 2 weeks onsite) were to develop a custom, parametric Quindos program to inspect a family of 32 male and female screw compressor rotors, with custom graphical output. The final program can handle an infinite number of rotors, as long as the proper nominal profile points are provided. Sample graphical output and interface screens can be viewed at the Quindos Wiki page ( http://www.quindoswiki.org )

This would be impossible to write in PC-DMIS !!!

To respond to 'dgeesaman' and the question/comment :" How long would you guess it takes for a user to learn to inspect helical gears with Quindos? We do use custom lead and profile forms, not standard tooth profiles."

It would depend upon the level of user, but for a novice I would estimate 2 weeks, which would cover 1 week of basic Quindos training, and 1 week of 'advanced' Quindos to cover the gear related topics. At the same time, PC-DMIS would NOT be an option. PC-DMIS Gear can NOT do custom lead or profile forms.

With regards to: "I'm told that Quindos is better than PC-DMIS Gear for profile and lead inspection but both can do it. Is it worth buying Quindos if this is the only advantage? " The response is that it depends upon how you want to use the CMM. If your intention is to utilize the CMM as a gear checker, then Quindos is more capable. It can inspect splines, evaluate 'efffective' thickness values, evaluate with eccentricity removed, use modified 'K' charts and custom profile, inspect straight bevel and spiral bevel gears, worm gears and worm wheels, serration gears (straight profile, not involute form), screw compressor rotors, cams and camshafts,...and more. If the intention is to inspect an occational 'simple' gear then PC-DMIS may be better suited toward your needs. I recommend contacting us at Hexagon for more info.

With regards to the comment of using a refurbished B&S CMM to inspect AGMA 10 gearing, it is questionable that that CMM can inspect AGMA 10 gears to a sufficient level of uncertainty. A more accurate CMM may be required, dependent upon your exact needs. Please contact us for more information.

For more information on Quindos, visit the Wiki page at http://www.quindoswiki.org

Steven Wojciechowski
Application Engineer
Hexagon Metrology
401-886-2715