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KIRBSTER269
You know, I have seen more often, People on here going to great lengths and just, extra steps, on writing programs to keep others out of PC-DMIS and the programs. I think if you spent that effort teaching others, how it works, how it functions. Lets face it, the CMM is an instrument used for quality, If a person is in quality, do we hide Calipers, OD, ID mics, indicators, surface plates, blocks. I know there are people out there, who might think, That their job is threatened. Paranoid.Alien Then there are others who say, that's what the customer request, my hands are tied. Your customers are not at your place all the time, nor are you, what happens when something goes wrong, are you going to end your vacation and head back to fix it? are the customers going to come over and fix it? Last but not least, The power trip people, They have in their feeble little heads "I'm GOD, You will bow down to me and worship me, My intelligent level is superior to yours" The only thing I can say to those people is "S-h-i-t and fall back in it" Just my 2 cents for the day Rolling eyes

This is what got me saying what I said. I always said there are no dumb questions, just dumb answers. Well I might have to revisit that saying.

  • My situation is probably unique to others on the forum. I will be retiring the end of the year. The group I am in was tasked to program for 2 generations of product. Just layout inspectors using the various equipment to ensure quality and compliance.

    Zoom forward 10 years and now we are being phased out and tasked with training set-up personnel to do our job. They range from no computer experience to experienced (and dangerous). Most don’t want to do this (except for enjoying the A/C) since they will still do set-up and repair work at the same time.

    imagine trying to train people in maybe 12 weeks how to read prints, understand gd&t, do surface finish checks using a profile meter, using a contour reader to measure features, do secondary checks to correlate cmm oot’s, use comparator, mics, verniers, toolmakers microscope, gage pins, do set-ups, qual the cmm, change out damaged probes, escape from crashes or mistakes, etc etc etc.

    Lock it up? Hell, blow it up.

    Did I mention that we inspectors will be trained to become toolmakers/mold makers? Yeah, go to night school and everything. Essentially an apprenticeship. There’s 1 in out group under 50 years old. The next is 57.

    Bitter? Probably.
  • in reply to RandomJerk
    ^^ is pretty spot on.

    The people on the team i am a part of are scared of the machine. I've made multiple attempts to train them and get them used to it and SENT THEM TO CLASS at hex and still nothing. So, why would i keep putting in the effort to train them if they don't want to do it or will absolutely break something?

    I get where you are coming from with what you are saying because luckily the guy who trained me was a FANTASTIC mentor who i still call to this day to discuss deep rooted issues but ultimately, not everyone is programmer material and it's as simple as that.
  • well you could never ever be so wrong my friend, Anybody can be taught, and I do me anybody. People who are not interested in it can be taught, people who are scared to death of the machine can be taught. I know, I have done so. You as the teacher or mentor, have to adapt to each individual. You also have to make it fun. Each person is unique in there on way. As a person who's job is to pay attention to detail. Got to do the same for the people. Take for instance a part that you check, and it's bad, you check, you double check, you triple check, and when you have exhausted all possibilities that it is not good, is it over for that part? nope, eventually it will be melted down and you will start all over from the beginning and try again. Sometimes you have to do the same for people. See I am already boring people with this conversation. Rolling eyes As I stated at the beginning "I'm not God, I don't put myself above anybody, Well except for maybe and " you know people like that
  • in reply to KIRBSTER269
    we can agree to disagree.

    While it's possible, It's difficult to change the attitudes of people. Especially those who resent me for coming into their territory and turning everything they know upside down. I'm all about change and helping and all that good mess but it has to go both ways. I will stay late to help someone, i will go out of my way to help someone, but if there's not effort on their end...then there won't be any on mine.

    So to that point, it's not a matter of learning machine or PCD it's a matter of personal attitudes.
  • but if there's not effort on their end...then there won't be any on mine.

    That's my opening statement to everyone. Then I hand them the mouse and then I hand them the controller, and I say "Let's F--K something up, shall we?"
  • in reply to KIRBSTER269
    So, then we agree, ultimately.

    If there's mutual effort, then yes. I'll teach you everything i know and hopefully that person will be better than me one day. That's the attitude my mentor had and i will happily carry the torch.

    but, bad attitudes and un-willingness to learn or be better is the demise.
  • in reply to KIRBSTER269
    well to a point. I don't quit, as you see in this topic. don't take offense to any of this. I'm like those pesky jehovah's witnesses. You will believe what I believe in. Rolling eyes
  • in reply to KIRBSTER269
    Something you said there triggered me a bit. At the shop I work at, we are not allowed to talk to the machinists. We put the parts (good or bad) on a table for the machining manager to pick up and take back to the machinist. If the machinist has an issue, he talks to his supervisor who then talks to my supervisor who then talks to me. Information going through 2 extra people can get lost or misinterpreted and its ridiculous.

    Sorry, rant off.
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