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Bad GD&T prints

Link to print https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PPWkIpGwM39PPnNyxP7Zwe0Rr7QkaRxh/view?usp=sharing

Only sharing part of the print for nondisclosure purposes, but there was a lot wrong with it. Thought I would share this since it has been so annoying for me.

They put a position dimention on many of the faces when they clearly needed/wanted a surface profile.
They also had an M modifier on almost everything including: datums that are planes, flatness, and one distance dimension

Currently talking with my contact to see if we can get this straightened out.

Anyone else deal with some bad GD&T?
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  • XxXxXx has done some interesting work with their GD&T process. They don't mark up any kind of a print anymore. Part of the part cad data surface is some wireframe, which outlines all mating surfaces. They issue a single spec for all stampings (GLOBAL GENERIC TOLERANCES FOR SHEET METAL COMPONENTS). They make a 3D PDF file that calls out the functions and sizes of all holes, you reference the specs, you program. Outline surfaces are mating tol, non-outline surface are non-mating tol, 15 different hole type callouts, 4 surface callouts, 5 trim callouts.

    Only problem is, you have no way of knowing which of the 5 possible types of trim it is, unless you are an XxXxXx engineer as these are not called out on the PDF, the PDF only shows hole type/size, none of the other 2 possible surfaces are ever called out on the PDF (again, without being an XxXxXx engineer, you don't know).

    Everything is called out to A|B|C, but some fixtures will have 'D' nets as well (but only sometimes and only if there are more than 3 "A" nets, but I've seen them with 5 nets, all "A").

    Oh, and they do NOT allow MMC for any position callout anymore, haven't for a few years, but you are allowed it for the "B" and "C" locators, but the fixtures are made with RFS pins, so you don't get that either.

    So, it was a great start, but kinda not as great on the followup. CAD is always master (except for hole sizes, called out on the PDF), all 'basics' come from the CAD file.
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  • XxXxXx has done some interesting work with their GD&T process. They don't mark up any kind of a print anymore. Part of the part cad data surface is some wireframe, which outlines all mating surfaces. They issue a single spec for all stampings (GLOBAL GENERIC TOLERANCES FOR SHEET METAL COMPONENTS). They make a 3D PDF file that calls out the functions and sizes of all holes, you reference the specs, you program. Outline surfaces are mating tol, non-outline surface are non-mating tol, 15 different hole type callouts, 4 surface callouts, 5 trim callouts.

    Only problem is, you have no way of knowing which of the 5 possible types of trim it is, unless you are an XxXxXx engineer as these are not called out on the PDF, the PDF only shows hole type/size, none of the other 2 possible surfaces are ever called out on the PDF (again, without being an XxXxXx engineer, you don't know).

    Everything is called out to A|B|C, but some fixtures will have 'D' nets as well (but only sometimes and only if there are more than 3 "A" nets, but I've seen them with 5 nets, all "A").

    Oh, and they do NOT allow MMC for any position callout anymore, haven't for a few years, but you are allowed it for the "B" and "C" locators, but the fixtures are made with RFS pins, so you don't get that either.

    So, it was a great start, but kinda not as great on the followup. CAD is always master (except for hole sizes, called out on the PDF), all 'basics' come from the CAD file.
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