Using external alignment to run multiple parts instead of looping.

I'm really close to ditching any attempt to use looping in my program to try and run multiple parts on my CMM table (I would like to run maybe 6 max). I'm trying to use 1 probe to inspect all the parts features (measuring on part, then going down in -Y 11.5" and doing the same measurement, go down in -Y again etc), then change probes, and measure all parts the same way (measuring all necessary features of one part, and then going down 11.5 inches in Y). The alignment keeps changing on me from the first part to the second...and when I post the data, 1 part will have the alignment from the second part. So, everything will dimensionally be okay, but because the origin is shifted down in Y by 11.5 inches, everything is screwed up on the total positioning (even though I know these parts will pass). How can I save one alignment/ do an external alignment, and then just shift it down 11.5 inches? I am sick of using looping, I feel like looping is really only for like bolt hole patterns, and waffle grid patterns in holes. Measuring whole parts in different locations is giving me a nightmare. It's something about the tool change and multiple parts. Because the second part doesn't get it's own alignment (like if your DCC alignment was A3, the second part should get A3-2 or something like that, but no. It just drives off the first parts alignment. I need multiple alignments just like the first part, just in different locations. I'll post the code just for giggles.

STARTUP =ALIGNMENT/START,RECALL:USE_PART_SETUP,LIST=YES
ALIGNMENT/END
MODE/MANUAL
FORMAT/TEXT,OPTIONS, ,HEADINGS,SYMBOLS, ;NOM,TOL,MEAS,DEV,OUTTOL, ,
LOADPROBE/4MM X 20MM
TIP/T1A0B0, SHANKIJK=0, 0, 1, ANGLE=0
PLN1 =FEAT/PLANE,CARTESIAN,TRIANGLE
THEO/<3.4829,-0.1456,0>,<0,0,1>
ACTL/<12.1376,32.7697,-26.1905>,<0.0005222,-0.0003643,0.9999998>
MEAS/PLANE,3
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,<1.9889,-0.5175,0>,<0,0,1>,<10.5594,32.265,-26.1899>,USE THEO=YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,<4.0258,0.8213,0>,<0,0,1>,<12.1295,33 .9516,-26.1901>,USE THEO=YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,<4.434,-0.7405,0>,<0,0,1>,<13.7238,32.0923,-26.1916>,USE THEO=YES
ENDMEAS/
LIN1 =FEAT/LINE,CARTESIAN,UNBOUNDED
THEO/<-2.1728,-2.295,-0.6305>,<1,0,0>
ACTL/<6.7011,30.8644,-26.6467>,<1,-0.0003111,0>
MEAS/LINE,2,ZPLUS
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,<-2.1728,-2.295,-0.629>,<0,-1,0>,<6.7011,30.8644,-26.6468>,USE THEO=YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,<6.84,-2.295,-0.632>,<0,-1,0>,<15.6711,30.8616,-26.6467>,USE THEO=YES
ENDMEAS/
PNT1 =FEAT/POINT,CARTESIAN
THEO/<-2.275,0.0718,-0.3763>,<-1,0,0>
ACTL/<6.3863,31.8955,-26.567>,<-0.9999996,-0.0009195,0>
MEAS/POINT,1,WORKPLANE
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,<-2.275,0.0718,-0.3763>,<-1,0,0>,<6.3863,31.8955,-26.567>,USE THEO=YES
ENDMEAS/
A1 =ALIGNMENT/START,RECALL:STARTUP,LIST=YES
ALIGNMENT/LEVEL,ZPLUS,PLN1
ALIGNMENT/TRANS,ZAXIS,PLN1
ALIGNMENT/ROTATE,XPLUS,TO,LIN1,ABOUT,ZPLUS
ALIGNMENT/TRANS,YAXIS,LIN1
ALIGNMENT/TRANS,XAXIS,PNT1
ALIGNMENT/END
MODE/DCC
FLY/ON
MOVESPEED/ 250
MOVE/POINT,NORMAL,<4.5328,1.9318,1.0961>
PLN2 =FEAT/PLANE,CARTESIAN,TRIANGLE
THEO/<5.7549,2.0759,0>,<0,0,1>
ACTL/<5.755,2.0756,-0.0033>,<0.0000146,-0.0000177,1>
MEAS/PLANE,3
MOVE/POINT,NORMAL,<7.0084,1.6156,0.8147>
(CODE CUT TO FIT, JUST MOVE POINTS)
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,<4.2265,1.4394,0>,<0,0,1>,<4.2264,1.4 389,-0.0033>,USE THEO=YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,<6.0296,3.0913,0>,<0,0,1>,<6.0298,3.0 911,-0.0033>,USE THEO=YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,<7.0084,1.6972,0>,<0,0,1>,<7.0086,1.6 967,-0.0033>,USE THEO=YES
ENDMEAS/
MOVE/POINT,NORMAL,<6.9272,2.3614,1.4628>
MOVE/POINT,NORMAL,<6.8272,-0.616,0.8246>
MOVE/POINT,NORMAL,<0.1955,-0.616,1.1066>
MOVE/POINT,NORMAL,<0.1955,-0.3262,-0.6042>
LIN2 =FEAT/LINE,CARTESIAN,UNBOUNDED
THEO/<0.2769,0,-0.6506>,<1,0,0>
ACTL/<0.2769,0.0045,-0.6505>,<1,-0.0000029,0>
MEAS/LINE,2,ZPLUS
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,<0.2769,0,-0.6573>,<0,-1,0>,<0.2769,0.0045,-0.6573>,USE THEO=YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,<8.968,0,-0.6438>,<0,-1,0>,<8.9682,0.0045,-0.6437>,USE THEO=YES
ENDMEAS/
MOVE/POINT,NORMAL,<8.968,-0.4155,1.3796>
MOVE/POINT,NORMAL,<-0.591,-0.4155,1.5577>
MOVE/POINT,NORMAL,<-0.6887,-0.4155,-0.3356>
PNT2 =FEAT/POINT,CARTESIAN
THEO/<0,2.1944,-0.3618>,<-1,0,0>
ACTL/<0.0011,2.1942,-0.3618>,<-1,0,0>
MEAS/POINT,1,WORKPLANE
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,<0,2.1944,-0.3618>,<-1,0,0>,<0.0011,2.1942,-0.3618>,USE THEO=YES
ENDMEAS/
MOVE/POINT,NORMAL,<-0.4913,2.1944,1.5459>
A2 =ALIGNMENT/START,RECALL:STARTUP,LIST=YES
ALIGNMENT/LEVEL,ZPLUS,PLN2
ALIGNMENT/TRANS,ZAXIS,PLN2
ALIGNMENT/ROTATE,XPLUS,TO,LIN2,ABOUT,ZPLUS
ALIGNMENT/TRANS,YAXIS,LIN2
ALIGNMENT/TRANS,XAXIS,PNT2
ALIGNMENT/END
V1 =LOOP/START,ID=YES,NUMBER=2,START=1,SKIP=,
OFFSET:XAXIS=0,YAXIS=-11.5,ZAXIS=0,ANGLE=0
MOVE/POINT,NORMAL,<3.9146,2.1944,2.4398>
PLN3-DATUM A =FEAT/PLANE,CARTESIAN,TRIANGLE
THEO/<5.9086,2.2725,0>,<0,0,1>
ACTL/<5.9087,2.2722,0.0033>,<0.0004246,-0.0001787,0.9999999>
MEAS/PLANE,7
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,<4.3281,3.3546,0>,<0,0,1>,<4.3283,3.3 544,0.0044>,USE THEO=YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,<4.0306,1.4526,0>,<0,0,1>,<4.0305,1.4 522,0.0041>,USE THEO=YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,<5.7436,3.0695,0>,<0,0,1>,<5.7437,3.0 693,0.0031>,USE THEO=YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,<5.8434,1.4538,0>,<0,0,1>,<5.8436,1.4 534,0.0029>,USE THEO=YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,<7.2594,3.4126,0>,<0,0,1>,<7.2596,3.4 124,0.0031>,USE THEO=YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,<6.8504,2.1411,0>,<0,0,1>,<6.8502,2.1 408,0.0029>,USE THEO=YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,<7.3046,1.0234,0>,<0,0,1>,<7.3047,1.0 23,0.0027>,USE THEO=YES
ENDMEAS/
MOVE/POINT,NORMAL,<7.3046,0.3131,1.0796>
MOVE/POINT,NORMAL,<7.3046,-0.5902,-0.3132>
PLN4-DATUM B =FEAT/PLANE,CARTESIAN,TRIANGLE
THEO/<4.6859,0,-0.7652>,<0,-1,0>
ACTL/<4.6858,0.0045,-0.7651>,<0.0000139,-0.9999988,-0.0015266>
MEAS/PLANE,8
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,<9.0292,0,-0.683>,<0,-1,0>,<9.0294,0.0044,-0.683>,USE THEO=YES
(CODE CUT TO FIT)
ENDMEAS/
MOVE/POINT,NORMAL,<0.1156,-0.5425,2.3897>
MOVE/POINT,NORMAL,<0.1156,4.8792,2.1768>
MOVE/POINT,NORMAL,<10.7453,4.8792,2.63>
MOVE/POINT,NORMAL,<10.7453,5.1562,-0.4423>
PLN5-BACKSIDE COMPARATIVE =FEAT/PLANE,CARTESIAN,TRIANGLE
THEO/<6.3431,4.59,-0.7871>,<0,1,0>
ACTL/<6.343,4.5968,-0.7869>,<-0.0000426,0.9999986,-0.0016886>
MEAS/PLANE,8
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,<11.4177,4.59,-0.638>,<0,1,0>,<11.4179,4.5971,-0.6379>,USE THEO=YES
(CODE CUT TO FIT)
ENDMEAS/
MOVE/POINT,NORMAL,<0.1326,4.774,0.2651>
MOVE/POINT,NORMAL,<-0.331,4.774,0.0903>
PLN6-DATUM C =FEAT/PLANE,CARTESIAN,TRIANGLE
THEO/<0,2.3748,-0.5079>,<-1,0,0>
ACTL/<0.011,2.3744,-0.508>,<-0.9999993,0.0000425,0.0011476>
MEAS/PLANE,9
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,<0,4.5184,-0.7714>,<-1,0,0>,<0.0103,4.518,-0.7715>,USE THEO=YES
(CODE CUT TO FIT/MEASURING A PLANE)
ENDMEAS/
MOVE/POINT,NORMAL,<-0.7644,0.0617,1.8962>
MOVE/POINT,NORMAL,<2.0946,0.0617,2.4491>
A3 =ALIGNMENT/START,RECALL:STARTUP,LIST=YES
ALIGNMENT/LEVEL,ZPLUS,PLN3-DATUM A
ALIGNMENT/TRANS,ZAXIS,PLN3-DATUM A
ALIGNMENT/ROTATE,YMINUS,TO,PLN4-DATUM B,ABOUT,ZPLUS
ALIGNMENT/TRANS,YAXIS,PLN4-DATUM B
ALIGNMENT/TRANS,XAXIS,PLN6-DATUM C
ALIGNMENT/END
A4 =ALIGNMENT/START,RECALL:STARTUP,LIST=YES
ALIGNMENT/LEVEL,ZPLUS,PLN3-DATUM A
ALIGNMENT/TRANS,ZAXIS,PLN3-DATUM A
ALIGNMENT/ROTATE,YMINUS,TO,PLN4-DATUM B,ABOUT,ZPLUS
ALIGNMENT/TRANS,YAXIS,PLN4-DATUM B
ALIGNMENT/TRANS,XAXIS,PLN6-DATUM C
ALIGNMENT/END
RECALL/ALIGNMENT,INTERNAL,A3
CIR1 =FEAT/CONTACT/CIRCLE/DEFAULT,CARTESIAN,IN,LEAST_SQR
THEO/<2.27,13.795,0.4>,<0,0,1>,2.62
ACTL/<2.272,13.7962,0.3979>,<0,0,1>,2.6191
TARG/<2.27,13.795,0.4>,<0,0,1>
START ANG=0,END ANG=361.2
ANGLE VEC=<1,0,0>
DIRECTION=CCW
SHOW FEATURE PARAMETERS=NO
SHOW CONTACT PARAMETERS=YES
NUMHITS=8,DEPTH=0.065,PITCH=0
SAMPLE METHOD=SAMPLE_HITS
SAMPLE HITS=0,SPACER=0
AVOIDANCE MOVE=BOTH,DISTANCE=1
FIND HOLE=DISABLED,ONERROR=NO,READ POS=NO
SHOW HITS=NO
CIR2 =FEAT/CONTACT/CIRCLE/DEFAULT,CARTESIAN,IN,LEAST_SQR
THEO/<9.235,13.795,0.4>,<0,0,1>,2.62
ACTL/<9.235,13.7961,0.3979>,<0,0,1>,2.6192
TARG/<9.235,13.795,0.4>,<0,0,1>
START ANG=0,END ANG=360
ANGLE VEC=<1,0,0>
DIRECTION=CCW
SHOW FEATURE PARAMETERS=NO
SHOW CONTACT PARAMETERS=YES
NUMHITS=8,DEPTH=0.065,PITCH=0
SAMPLE METHOD=SAMPLE_HITS
SAMPLE HITS=0,SPACER=0
AVOIDANCE MOVE=BOTH,DISTANCE=1
FIND HOLE=DISABLED,ONERROR=NO,READ POS=NO
SHOW HITS=NO
MOVE/INCREMENT,<0,0,2>
LOOP/END
MOVE/INCREMENT,<6,0,0>
MOVE/INCREMENT,<0,0,4>
MOVE/POINT,NORMAL,<15.241,-20.3018,9.4919>
LOADPROBE/SUXING PROBE 1MM X 40MM
TIP/T1A0B0, SHANKIJK=-0.0007, 0.0006, 1, ANGLE=0.0216
AUTOCALIBRATE/PROBE, PARAMETER_SET=SUXING PROBE 1MMx40MM 0-0, QUALTOOL_MOVED=NO,
CHECK COLLISION=NO, SHOW_SUMMARY=NO, OVERWRITE_RESULTSFILE=NO
MOVE/INCREMENT,<0,0,2>
TOUCHSPEED/ 1
MOVE/POINT,NORMAL,<0.9019,-1.9748,7.5298>
MOVE/POINT,NORMAL,<0.49,0.3912,3.3834>
MOVE/POINT,NORMAL,<6.9268,2.6651,2.9921>
V2 =LOOP/START,ID=YES,NUMBER=2,START=1,SKIP=,
OFFSET:XAXIS=0,YAXIS=-11.5,ZAXIS=0,ANGLE=0
CIR3 =FEAT/CONTACT/CIRCLE/DEFAULT,CARTESIAN,IN,LEAST_SQR
THEO/<7.0004,14.8936,0>,<0,0,1>,0.1005
ACTL/<7.0016,14.8947,0>,<0,0,1>,0.1008
TARG/<7.0004,14.8936,0>,<0,0,1>
START ANG=0,END ANG=360
ANGLE VEC=<1,0,0>
DIRECTION=CCW
SHOW FEATURE PARAMETERS=NO
SHOW CONTACT PARAMETERS=YES
NUMHITS=8,DEPTH=0.04,PITCH=0
SAMPLE METHOD=SAMPLE_HITS
SAMPLE HITS=0,SPACER=0
AVOIDANCE MOVE=BOTH,DISTANCE=1
FIND HOLE=DISABLED,ONERROR=NO,READ POS=NO
SHOW HITS=NO
CIR4 =FEAT/CONTACT/CIRCLE/DEFAULT,CARTESIAN,IN,LEAST_SQR
THEO/<7.7076,14.8936,0>,<0,0,1>,0.1005
ACTL/<7.7077,14.8953,0>,<0,0,1>,0.1008
TARG/<7.7076,14.8936,0>,<0,0,1>
START ANG=0,END ANG=360
ANGLE VEC=<1,0,0>
DIRECTION=CCW
SHOW FEATURE PARAMETERS=NO
SHOW CONTACT PARAMETERS=YES
NUMHITS=8,DEPTH=0.04,PITCH=0
SAMPLE METHOD=SAMPLE_HITS
SAMPLE HITS=0,SPACER=0
AVOIDANCE MOVE=BOTH,DISTANCE=1
FIND HOLE=DISABLED,ONERROR=NO,READ POS=NO
SHOW HITS=NO
CIR5 =FEAT/CONTACT/CIRCLE/DEFAULT,CARTESIAN,IN,LEAST_SQR
THEO/<7.354,14.54,0>,<0,0,1>,0.283
ACTL/<7.355,14.5412,0>,<0,0,1>,0.2843
TARG/<7.354,14.54,0>,<0,0,1>
START ANG=0,END ANG=360
ANGLE VEC=<1,0,0>
DIRECTION=CCW
SHOW FEATURE PARAMETERS=NO
SHOW CONTACT PARAMETERS=YES
NUMHITS=8,DEPTH=0.04,PITCH=0
SAMPLE METHOD=SAMPLE_HITS
SAMPLE HITS=0,SPACER=0
AVOIDANCE MOVE=BOTH,DISTANCE=1
FIND HOLE=DISABLED,ONERROR=NO,READ POS=NO
SHOW HITS=NO
CIR6 =FEAT/CONTACT/CIRCLE/DEFAULT,CARTESIAN,IN,LEAST_SQR
THEO/<7.354,13.04,0>,<0,0,1>,0.283


(TRIMMED SOME CODE AT END)

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BIGWIG7 over 1 year ago

its pretty simple. i use exclusively readpoint alignments in all my programs.
so i'll write a program, setup my part on my table/fixture system, then at the end of the program do a movepoint to the next part where my first start/readpoint was, then do a recall STARTUP ALIGNMENT (which kinda basically start the program over again), then i'll copy and paste the program x times.

if i have 5 parts on the table the program runs basically 5 different parts. i group each program together and close it.
this allows me to stop the program anytime i want and look at data, switch out parts, etc. If i remember correctly looping becomes a mess if you stop in the middle of execution.

the only disadvantage to my method is that naming becomes a bit of a headache, so you need to plan ahead on how you name features and dimensions so that when you copy/pattern it copies everything and you don't lose track of which part is which.

i'm simply not smart enough or have enough patience to figure out looping.
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BIGWIG7 over 1 year ago

its pretty simple. i use exclusively readpoint alignments in all my programs.
so i'll write a program, setup my part on my table/fixture system, then at the end of the program do a movepoint to the next part where my first start/readpoint was, then do a recall STARTUP ALIGNMENT (which kinda basically start the program over again), then i'll copy and paste the program x times.

if i have 5 parts on the table the program runs basically 5 different parts. i group each program together and close it.
this allows me to stop the program anytime i want and look at data, switch out parts, etc. If i remember correctly looping becomes a mess if you stop in the middle of execution.

the only disadvantage to my method is that naming becomes a bit of a headache, so you need to plan ahead on how you name features and dimensions so that when you copy/pattern it copies everything and you don't lose track of which part is which.

i'm simply not smart enough or have enough patience to figure out looping.
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RobOntario over 1 year ago in reply to BIGWIG7

I would use this way too. Since all measurement needs reports, it is hard to report those 6 or 4 parts different features in loop with identical IDs.
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steelweaver120 over 1 year ago in reply to BIGWIG7

This isn't exactly what I was looking for at the moment because I want to try and get my problem worked out first completely and then tweak fully. But, I'm def going to try it! I'm really into readpoints too, because it has worked well for me in another program. All of these tips and tricks that I'm learning trying to solve my problem will only serve me to learn better skills later. Readpoints will help keep my program simple enough for other people in the shop to use the CMM if they absolutely have to if I'm gone. I intend to stay active in this community as much as I can or until I get kicked out because I really want to learn everything. Thank you sir!
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