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ELI5: Why does adding Pitch when checking threads matter?

1. Like the title says, why does adding pitch when checking threads matter?
2. Does it?
3. If you are checking a thread as a cylinder, how does adding the pitch affect the measurements?
4. If you are checking the "cylinder" using least squares, and it's averaging out the points anyways, does adding pitch calculate position more accurately?

(i might have asked the same question a few different ways!)

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  • This depends on the probe diameter and the physical size of the threads.

    --If you have a 3" diameter/ 4 threads per inch (0.25" pitch), and you're checking it with even a 5mm probe, you can hit the Min dia of the diameter and still fall a solid >0.100" into the thread when you hit in between the teeth, rendering your diameter's accuracy = garbage.

    In contrast
    --If you have the same 3" diameter bore/boss with some custom 28 threads per inch, (0.035" pitch), and you're using the same 5mm sphere, your sphere can only dip less than 0.010" in between the teeth... adding some bias, but if your minor diameter is permissible to be 0.080" it's basically noise.

    If you want to mitigate diametrical and positional uncertainty, add the pitch.
    --Regardless of where you hit on the threads, you will get an accurate position... as long as pitch entered, and pitch cut is similar.

    If you want to one-up your thread checking effort, you can run a series of hits along a line, on one edge of the threads, that has set increments (say 0.005"), and a length of about 2 pitches... then sort for the max or min (boss vs bore) PR of that series of hits... you can locally origin your Z axis to that max/min hit and always take hits on the thread major/minor diameter (again boss vs bore).
    --Take your circle with pitch from the z origin and you've got super accurate major/minor diameter and location... regardless of where the thread start is clocked.
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  • This depends on the probe diameter and the physical size of the threads.

    --If you have a 3" diameter/ 4 threads per inch (0.25" pitch), and you're checking it with even a 5mm probe, you can hit the Min dia of the diameter and still fall a solid >0.100" into the thread when you hit in between the teeth, rendering your diameter's accuracy = garbage.

    In contrast
    --If you have the same 3" diameter bore/boss with some custom 28 threads per inch, (0.035" pitch), and you're using the same 5mm sphere, your sphere can only dip less than 0.010" in between the teeth... adding some bias, but if your minor diameter is permissible to be 0.080" it's basically noise.

    If you want to mitigate diametrical and positional uncertainty, add the pitch.
    --Regardless of where you hit on the threads, you will get an accurate position... as long as pitch entered, and pitch cut is similar.

    If you want to one-up your thread checking effort, you can run a series of hits along a line, on one edge of the threads, that has set increments (say 0.005"), and a length of about 2 pitches... then sort for the max or min (boss vs bore) PR of that series of hits... you can locally origin your Z axis to that max/min hit and always take hits on the thread major/minor diameter (again boss vs bore).
    --Take your circle with pitch from the z origin and you've got super accurate major/minor diameter and location... regardless of where the thread start is clocked.
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