Been reading a lot of posts on iterative alignments which seem to cause some confusion, but once cracked have shown good, repeatable and reproducible results for me!
Alas, moved on the next part number of blade, and no matter what I do I get the ever so helpful “iterative alignment error” message!
This second batch of blades has a much steeper blade angle, so I am thinking the sets of datum points are not 90degrees to another, however these are taken from the CAD model! To confirm my theory if I tweak the vectors it runs, but now I’m not approaching the points correctly?
Anyone ever come across this?
Thanks I’m advanced!
Nope, sorry, don’t follow! I have more questions than answers now! No offence, merely a reflection of my intelligence, or distinct lack of!
1) Step 2 - Saving an alignment before I’ve even probed anything? Or should I have probed something?
2) Step 3 - Creat generic points, if I do them at the extreme ends of my part, one will be a nice flat land, the other the aerofoil tip? Alternatively, what I am actually interested in is two points on the dovetail, could I use these, as they simulate how the part sits in the respective mating part? I’m been told these points MUST be 11mm apart, so could I iterate to achieve this?
3) Step 4 - Measure ALL features. The datum targets? Or the 2 generic points at the extreme of the part? If it’s the datum targets, I don’t understand why this won’t just fail to iterate again?
Sorry for the delay in responding but I'm currently out for Easter vacation.
1) The reason you save the alignment before entering the iterative loop is to create the file, the external then alignment gets recalled at the start and updated at the end of each iteration. Saving the alignment before iterating prevents PC-DMIS from updating THEO values with each iteration because it does not "think" the alignment has changed.
2) In my example, the generic points are used to check how stable the alignment is. The further apart the points are, the more stable your final alignment will be. It's the same principle as clocking along a straight-edge to check if it's level. The bigger the distance you clock across, the more accurate your assessment. Similarly, the further apart your generic points are, the more accurate your final alignment will be. As for your "11mm apart points", it's impossible for me to say without seeing a drawing and knowing exactly what is required. My gut feeling is that the generic points will yield a more stable, accurate alignment from which you can then create your "11mm apart" points.
3) The generic points are not supposed to be measured, you recall your external alignment and create the generic points at the start of the iteration. You then measure all of the features and perform all of the steps required to create your alignment and update the external alignment with this current iteration, before dimensioning the generic points to check how much of an effect the current iteration of your alignment had on them. If the deviation of the generic points is more than your allowable tolerance, you loop back and perform another iteration. If the deviation is within your allowable tolerance then the part is successfully aligned.
Sorry for the delay in responding but I'm currently out for Easter vacation.
1) The reason you save the alignment before entering the iterative loop is to create the file, the external then alignment gets recalled at the start and updated at the end of each iteration. Saving the alignment before iterating prevents PC-DMIS from updating THEO values with each iteration because it does not "think" the alignment has changed.
2) In my example, the generic points are used to check how stable the alignment is. The further apart the points are, the more stable your final alignment will be. It's the same principle as clocking along a straight-edge to check if it's level. The bigger the distance you clock across, the more accurate your assessment. Similarly, the further apart your generic points are, the more accurate your final alignment will be. As for your "11mm apart points", it's impossible for me to say without seeing a drawing and knowing exactly what is required. My gut feeling is that the generic points will yield a more stable, accurate alignment from which you can then create your "11mm apart" points.
3) The generic points are not supposed to be measured, you recall your external alignment and create the generic points at the start of the iteration. You then measure all of the features and perform all of the steps required to create your alignment and update the external alignment with this current iteration, before dimensioning the generic points to check how much of an effect the current iteration of your alignment had on them. If the deviation of the generic points is more than your allowable tolerance, you loop back and perform another iteration. If the deviation is within your allowable tolerance then the part is successfully aligned.