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Lower segment of a composite position cant remove a datum unless it comes off the end?

Hey guys. I have a part with a composite position tolerance called out on a hole pattern. Initially the lower segment had a datum that was not in the upper segment and PC-dmis wouldn't allow me to inspect. I told the customer the rule was that "Each datum reference frame must only use the same datums as the reference frame above it" and sent him the below screen shot of the pc-dmis help page. He revised it but it still wont let me check. I am thinking the reason is the rule that "the datums must be in the same order" but it doesn't really make sense to me. Is it saying that if you remove a datum from the lower segment of the composite position it must come off the end and not the front? I don't want to tell this customer to revise his drawing again unless I am certain that's the reason. Thank you.

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  • Is C datum the planar flange, or the hub cylinder?

    if it's the flange, how do you extrapolate a tolerance of position, diametrically, to a plane? It has no origin, to derive the diametrical zone from.

    If it's the hub cylinder, i honestly have no idea, as it should be a valid measurement.

  • If datum C is the flange it would control the perpendicularity of the holes.  I don't know the fit/function of the part so I'm in no position to say what the datum precedence should be, but most times engineers will make the plane in which the holes are machined the primary datum.  If this were the case the callout would be |C|A-B| and they would be able to use a composite FCF to refine the orientation to datum C, which is what they seem to want to do anyway-- IF datum C is the flange.

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  • If datum C is the flange it would control the perpendicularity of the holes.  I don't know the fit/function of the part so I'm in no position to say what the datum precedence should be, but most times engineers will make the plane in which the holes are machined the primary datum.  If this were the case the callout would be |C|A-B| and they would be able to use a composite FCF to refine the orientation to datum C, which is what they seem to want to do anyway-- IF datum C is the flange.

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