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keith
Could someone provide a link to information about the NC module?

We're looking at some new Haas machines and wondering if the probes could be programmed with PC/DMIS (something I know a little about) and sent to the machine for execution. Does the NC module convert the Apt-like pc/dmis language to g-code format?

How much does the module cost? What software is comparable to it?

thanks,
Keith
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  • You shouldn't measure on machine tools... (spoken by Arnold)

    Dream on brother.... You are so far from the truth here.... Sorry... Smiley

    I agree somewhat, though: be VERY careful before you start to think about NC. Are your machines calibrated? Are you willing to spend money on artifacts? There are many costs to consider.

    But I use it every day. I have 2 machines up and running. End of the year it must be 6. We intend to run more than a dozen within 2 years.

    Yes, PC-DMIS converts its code to Gcode. And it does it quite reliably. Only problem is something to do with coordinate rotations. They have not been able to explain that one to me yet. I added a piece of sample code for your enjoyment (for ethernet). It is generated totally automatically. Nothing you have to do about it...

    After the program is finished, Server sucks in the data and Executes, just like as if you were running PC-DMIS and executing a program. And you get a true measuring report as a result, with all powerful features from PC-DMIS.

    The biggest advantage is that NC offers you the possibility of bringing SPC right to the machine tool, while the part is still fixtured. So fixing issues at that point is a breeze. No time delays; instant gratification. Sunglasses But make sure you use accurate probes...

    The way it works is that you need to run a product called "PC-DMIS NC Server". It wants to run on its own computer. So you'll need at least 1 additional off-line license. Server can serve many machine (for additional cost of course).

    You can run using RS232 lines. Better is Ethernet. I am upgrading my machines to Ethernet because it allows for bi-directional parameter upgrade.

    Contrary to popular believe, you do NOT need 1 PC-DMIS license and computer per station. You do need enough licenses on server though....

    Also, again, you'll need an ACCURATE probe on your machine. I use the MP700. Lots of good luck with it.


    If you want more info on it, send me a PM and we'll discuss off-line.



    Jan. 
    O4006 (TEST.PRG)
#611=0
#612=0
G54
G90G80G40G49
G91
G00 Z-[#10060 + #11060] G43 H60
G90
M19
G65P9832
G65P9724
IF[#129 LT 1.] GOTO 8888
G65P4000
#619=95
#611=6
GOTO 9999 (END PROGRAM, UNITS MISMATCH)
N8888 (REST OF PROGRAM)
G65P4000
#619=54
#620=6044250
#621=4410948
#622=4739932
#623=4477007
#624=6050377
#625=3493460
#626=5056560
#627=5461065
#628=2115925
#629=3028296
#630=2704437
#631=4539484
#632=4804128
#633=2118474
#634=5128522
#635=4543580
#636=3036243
#637=4674128
#611=1
G65P4000
#619=0
#620=50
#611=13
G55
G65P4000
#619=#5221
#620=#5222
#621=#5223
#611=7
G65P4000
#619=5
#620=3625037
#621=12336
#622=4
#623=5261652
#624=49
#611=11
G65P9810X-1.0399Y-1.8059Z2.0000F60.00C1.
G65P9810X-1.0595Y-1.8307Z2.0000F60.00C1.
G65P9810X-1.0595Y-1.8307Z-0.1048F60.00C1.
(FEATURE CIR1)
G65P9821J1.X-0.9099Y-1.8359Z-0.1190C1.
G65P4000
#619=0
#620=58
#621=1
#611=10
G65P9810X-1.0595Y-1.8307Z-0.1048F60.00C1.
G65P9821J1.X-1.2090Y-1.8255Z-0.0907C1.
G65P4000
#619=0
#620=58
#621=2
#611=10
G65P9810X-1.0595Y-1.8307Z-0.1048F60.00C1.
G65P9821J1.X-0.9099Y-1.8359Z-0.1190C1.
G65P4000
#619=0
#620=58
#621=3
#611=10
G65P9810X-1.0595Y-1.8307Z-0.1048F60.00C1.
G65P9821J1.X-1.2090Y-1.8255Z-0.0907C1.
G65P4000
#619=0
#620=58
#621=4
#611=10
G65P4000
#619=0
#620=58
#611=4
G65P4000
#611=3
G65P4000
#611=9
N1
G4P100
IF[#612 GT 0] GOTO 1
G65P4000
N7777
G65P4000
N9999
G65P9833
M30

O4000
N1
G4P10
IF[#611NE0]GOTO1
#613 = #124
#614 = #125
#615 = #126
#617 = #0
M99
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  • You shouldn't measure on machine tools... (spoken by Arnold)

    Dream on brother.... You are so far from the truth here.... Sorry... Smiley

    I agree somewhat, though: be VERY careful before you start to think about NC. Are your machines calibrated? Are you willing to spend money on artifacts? There are many costs to consider.

    But I use it every day. I have 2 machines up and running. End of the year it must be 6. We intend to run more than a dozen within 2 years.

    Yes, PC-DMIS converts its code to Gcode. And it does it quite reliably. Only problem is something to do with coordinate rotations. They have not been able to explain that one to me yet. I added a piece of sample code for your enjoyment (for ethernet). It is generated totally automatically. Nothing you have to do about it...

    After the program is finished, Server sucks in the data and Executes, just like as if you were running PC-DMIS and executing a program. And you get a true measuring report as a result, with all powerful features from PC-DMIS.

    The biggest advantage is that NC offers you the possibility of bringing SPC right to the machine tool, while the part is still fixtured. So fixing issues at that point is a breeze. No time delays; instant gratification. Sunglasses But make sure you use accurate probes...

    The way it works is that you need to run a product called "PC-DMIS NC Server". It wants to run on its own computer. So you'll need at least 1 additional off-line license. Server can serve many machine (for additional cost of course).

    You can run using RS232 lines. Better is Ethernet. I am upgrading my machines to Ethernet because it allows for bi-directional parameter upgrade.

    Contrary to popular believe, you do NOT need 1 PC-DMIS license and computer per station. You do need enough licenses on server though....

    Also, again, you'll need an ACCURATE probe on your machine. I use the MP700. Lots of good luck with it.


    If you want more info on it, send me a PM and we'll discuss off-line.



    Jan. 
    O4006 (TEST.PRG)
#611=0
#612=0
G54
G90G80G40G49
G91
G00 Z-[#10060 + #11060] G43 H60
G90
M19
G65P9832
G65P9724
IF[#129 LT 1.] GOTO 8888
G65P4000
#619=95
#611=6
GOTO 9999 (END PROGRAM, UNITS MISMATCH)
N8888 (REST OF PROGRAM)
G65P4000
#619=54
#620=6044250
#621=4410948
#622=4739932
#623=4477007
#624=6050377
#625=3493460
#626=5056560
#627=5461065
#628=2115925
#629=3028296
#630=2704437
#631=4539484
#632=4804128
#633=2118474
#634=5128522
#635=4543580
#636=3036243
#637=4674128
#611=1
G65P4000
#619=0
#620=50
#611=13
G55
G65P4000
#619=#5221
#620=#5222
#621=#5223
#611=7
G65P4000
#619=5
#620=3625037
#621=12336
#622=4
#623=5261652
#624=49
#611=11
G65P9810X-1.0399Y-1.8059Z2.0000F60.00C1.
G65P9810X-1.0595Y-1.8307Z2.0000F60.00C1.
G65P9810X-1.0595Y-1.8307Z-0.1048F60.00C1.
(FEATURE CIR1)
G65P9821J1.X-0.9099Y-1.8359Z-0.1190C1.
G65P4000
#619=0
#620=58
#621=1
#611=10
G65P9810X-1.0595Y-1.8307Z-0.1048F60.00C1.
G65P9821J1.X-1.2090Y-1.8255Z-0.0907C1.
G65P4000
#619=0
#620=58
#621=2
#611=10
G65P9810X-1.0595Y-1.8307Z-0.1048F60.00C1.
G65P9821J1.X-0.9099Y-1.8359Z-0.1190C1.
G65P4000
#619=0
#620=58
#621=3
#611=10
G65P9810X-1.0595Y-1.8307Z-0.1048F60.00C1.
G65P9821J1.X-1.2090Y-1.8255Z-0.0907C1.
G65P4000
#619=0
#620=58
#621=4
#611=10
G65P4000
#619=0
#620=58
#611=4
G65P4000
#611=3
G65P4000
#611=9
N1
G4P100
IF[#612 GT 0] GOTO 1
G65P4000
N7777
G65P4000
N9999
G65P9833
M30

O4000
N1
G4P10
IF[#611NE0]GOTO1
#613 = #124
#614 = #125
#615 = #126
#617 = #0
M99
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