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Vision systems vs touch systems.

Bruce
I've been looking into vision systems also and B&S seem to be really limiting themselves.I have used PC-DMIS for a few years now and a lot of other software is coming out which seems muche easier to use.I have looked at systems from Micro-Vu and soon Mitutoyo.Basically all you do is measure the part sing certain defined tools and the machine remembers not only where it was,the light levels,magnification,well you know.
Even If B&S does come out with this for its automated machines,its almost fighting against its own PC-DMIS software. After seeing demos of other software on other equipment PC-DMIS seems pretty antiquated.
Don't get me wrong,it may seem like I'm bashing PC-DMIS,maybe I am in a way,but other software is much easier to use,and thats why in a way were getting rid of our CMM.Only one person can use it.Now with the newer software,anyone can use it and its faster on top of that.
I've been trying to get them to keep the CMM, but even i can't find a reason,now with these newer machinesand software coming out.The hybrids that have laser,vision and touch are the wave coming and it will in my opinion eventually make these other machines obsolete.Right now there too expensive,but that will quickly change I'm sure.
Lots of changes coming for sure.
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  • I've been looking into vision systems also and B&S seem to be really limiting themselves.I have used PC-DMIS for a few years now and a lot of other software is coming out which seems muche easier to use.I have looked at systems from Micro-Vu and soon Mitutoyo.Basically all you do is measure the part sing certain defined tools and the machine remembers not only where it was,the light levels,magnification,well you know.
    Even If B&S does come out with this for its automated machines,its almost fighting against its own PC-DMIS software. After seeing demos of other software on other equipment PC-DMIS seems pretty antiquated.
    Don't get me wrong,it may seem like I'm bashing PC-DMIS,maybe I am in a way,but other software is much easier to use,and thats why in a way were getting rid of our CMM.Only one person can use it.Now with the newer software,anyone can use it and its faster on top of that.
    I've been trying to get them to keep the CMM, but even i can't find a reason,now with these newer machinesand software coming out.The hybrids that have laser,vision and touch are the wave coming and it will in my opinion eventually make these other machines obsolete.Right now there too expensive,but that will quickly change I'm sure.
    Lots of changes coming for sure.


    Did you talk to your sales rep about the wonderful new miracle module called "Inspection Planner"? All you have to do is feed your CAD model to pc-dmis , have the part somewhere near your CMM table, click on execute and behold a smart looking report spews forth from your printer, or is saved to a file if you are a tree hugger who does not like to waste pulp. BTW I have a small side line that specializes is orchestrating and compiling documents bristling with verbiage nearly indecipherable but appearing to meet or exceed all the expected metrics established by ISO, MIL, BS, ASQ, etc. As is aptly presented in powerpoint pareto graphs. The entire package will enable management to justify communicating the need to issue a purchase order for this system to accounting and subsequently stun auditors with such magnitude that a moderately expensive business lunch will ensure zero gigs despite the lack of a concrete relationship between the symbols on the report and any actual condition of quality inherent in the product. Best of all if you order before the end of the month not only is your company eligible for a one time 20% price increase, I will personally send you a coffee mug full of Hersey's Kisses. Rolling eyes











    Yes that is all nonsense and I have never used inspection planner but the idea of letting an engineer who clearly does not comprehend GD&T decide which features the CMM should check and how to check them seems an invitation for GIGO to me.Astonished



    You can not idiot proof the world the idiots will outsmart you every time!Disappointed



    Why not have the 1 guy who knows how to use the CMM teach some other people how to use it?
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  • I've been looking into vision systems also and B&S seem to be really limiting themselves.I have used PC-DMIS for a few years now and a lot of other software is coming out which seems muche easier to use.I have looked at systems from Micro-Vu and soon Mitutoyo.Basically all you do is measure the part sing certain defined tools and the machine remembers not only where it was,the light levels,magnification,well you know.
    Even If B&S does come out with this for its automated machines,its almost fighting against its own PC-DMIS software. After seeing demos of other software on other equipment PC-DMIS seems pretty antiquated.
    Don't get me wrong,it may seem like I'm bashing PC-DMIS,maybe I am in a way,but other software is much easier to use,and thats why in a way were getting rid of our CMM.Only one person can use it.Now with the newer software,anyone can use it and its faster on top of that.
    I've been trying to get them to keep the CMM, but even i can't find a reason,now with these newer machinesand software coming out.The hybrids that have laser,vision and touch are the wave coming and it will in my opinion eventually make these other machines obsolete.Right now there too expensive,but that will quickly change I'm sure.
    Lots of changes coming for sure.


    Did you talk to your sales rep about the wonderful new miracle module called "Inspection Planner"? All you have to do is feed your CAD model to pc-dmis , have the part somewhere near your CMM table, click on execute and behold a smart looking report spews forth from your printer, or is saved to a file if you are a tree hugger who does not like to waste pulp. BTW I have a small side line that specializes is orchestrating and compiling documents bristling with verbiage nearly indecipherable but appearing to meet or exceed all the expected metrics established by ISO, MIL, BS, ASQ, etc. As is aptly presented in powerpoint pareto graphs. The entire package will enable management to justify communicating the need to issue a purchase order for this system to accounting and subsequently stun auditors with such magnitude that a moderately expensive business lunch will ensure zero gigs despite the lack of a concrete relationship between the symbols on the report and any actual condition of quality inherent in the product. Best of all if you order before the end of the month not only is your company eligible for a one time 20% price increase, I will personally send you a coffee mug full of Hersey's Kisses. Rolling eyes











    Yes that is all nonsense and I have never used inspection planner but the idea of letting an engineer who clearly does not comprehend GD&T decide which features the CMM should check and how to check them seems an invitation for GIGO to me.Astonished



    You can not idiot proof the world the idiots will outsmart you every time!Disappointed



    Why not have the 1 guy who knows how to use the CMM teach some other people how to use it?
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