I am looking at a company that has this software along with Calypso. I want to get a general feel for it by the users. Any info will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Replying to MFCGuy, I agree 1 week is not nearly enough. In reality I´ve been using Q for over 10 years and I still don't know it all. It is so powerful, there is nothing that can't be evaluted with it. Period. Whether one, as a user, has learned those tools is a different issue. I always say, if you get stuck contact us.
Replying to Jerome, I didn't mean to come off sounding like a bear (see other thread) and I agree 100% with your analogy. With regards to the 'legacy' commands, the help texts for them (object type HLP) are still found in the HDB (help data base) of Q7 ,as well as the commands themselves are listed in the ODB (obsolete database) under object type symbol (SYM). Yes, you have to search a bit and use a bit of trial and error to see what those commands do, but the idea is that most of those command were redundant. For example the 'older' command for distance between two circles MCDCICI, is just a subset of the distance command. Again, at any time if you have questions, contact us.
Replying to John K, training is not offered/scheduled as often as PC-DMIS, but if you contact us, we can schedule a class. (Have you been to training? At Wixom? I have trained Mark B.) Quindos 6 is Windows compliant. The code behind runs in Windows. The fact that the graphical interface was running thru a Unix emulator, does not mean it not Windows, I know it's symantics, but... . It just didn´t have the Windows 'look' and feel (This was due to managment issues in terms of halting developement, read below). However, you'll be happy to know that the graphics in Q7 do use Windows tools and Quindos7 is out. One benefit is that the typical Quindos training class is not packed with 8-10 students as is with PC-DMIS. Therefore it is more along the lines of 1-on-1 training. Quindos is not as prolific as PC-DMIS in terms of seats out in the market. But I contend that it is quality not quantity. Quindos is used by some very sophisticated facilities/companies (LANL, LosAlmos National Labs, Stanford Linear Accelerator, NIST, CAT) to do complicated measurement/analysis that PC-DMIS can not. (For example, NIST is using Quindos on a Leitz machine to certify master API thread gages. Another facility is using Q to check master gear artifacts.)
To reply to rangerboat72 and Jan d, a bit of history is in order, so here it goes. Back in 1990 (if I recall correctly) B&S bought Leitz. With that purchase, they got Quindos. At the time B&S had AVAIL/MM4/MM3 as softwares. B&S decided to develop a common software, and a new division of B&S was created, called BSIS (B&S Information Services). This divison of B&S took over ownership of B&S's software, and mandated that a new software was to be developed, call XactMeasure. Thus, development was halted on all other software. Well the Quindos developers at Leitz decided to leave and form their own company, called MTWZ (MessTechnik Wetzlar). Therefore, the time frame during which BSIS controlled the softwares, there was little developement in Quindos. Well, B&S fell on financially hard times, and was purchased by Hexagon. But Hexagon did not purchase BSIS. So B&S partnered with Wilcox and Associates (WAI) to sell it's software, PC-DMIS. Eventually, Hexagon bought WAI. So as of right now, Hexagon owns PC-DMIS (thru owning WAI). It's a bit complicated, but at the same time, Hexagon owns rights/source code to Quindos, but is licensed between MTWZ. (Some of the dates and sequence may be off slightly, but that's my recollection/understanding) (Jan d. Who are you? Contact me)
To cmmguy, I like it about the 'didn´t have to' comment, funny. In my opinion, Quindos has been cutting edge. Quindos was sold on vision system over 20 years ago, long before the other software. (My understanding is that Quindos was initially develop for measuring microscopes of Leitz/Leica). Quindos has been measuring gears and blades for over 15 years, long before the other software. That's not to say that Quindos is perfect. The delay in developing CAD tools did make it appear out of date.
My comments and rantings. If you've read this far, thanks
Steven Wojciechowski
Applications Engineer
Hexagon Metrology
(401) 886-2715
Replying to MFCGuy, I agree 1 week is not nearly enough. In reality I´ve been using Q for over 10 years and I still don't know it all. It is so powerful, there is nothing that can't be evaluted with it. Period. Whether one, as a user, has learned those tools is a different issue. I always say, if you get stuck contact us.
Replying to Jerome, I didn't mean to come off sounding like a bear (see other thread) and I agree 100% with your analogy. With regards to the 'legacy' commands, the help texts for them (object type HLP) are still found in the HDB (help data base) of Q7 ,as well as the commands themselves are listed in the ODB (obsolete database) under object type symbol (SYM). Yes, you have to search a bit and use a bit of trial and error to see what those commands do, but the idea is that most of those command were redundant. For example the 'older' command for distance between two circles MCDCICI, is just a subset of the distance command. Again, at any time if you have questions, contact us.
Replying to John K, training is not offered/scheduled as often as PC-DMIS, but if you contact us, we can schedule a class. (Have you been to training? At Wixom? I have trained Mark B.) Quindos 6 is Windows compliant. The code behind runs in Windows. The fact that the graphical interface was running thru a Unix emulator, does not mean it not Windows, I know it's symantics, but... . It just didn´t have the Windows 'look' and feel (This was due to managment issues in terms of halting developement, read below). However, you'll be happy to know that the graphics in Q7 do use Windows tools and Quindos7 is out. One benefit is that the typical Quindos training class is not packed with 8-10 students as is with PC-DMIS. Therefore it is more along the lines of 1-on-1 training. Quindos is not as prolific as PC-DMIS in terms of seats out in the market. But I contend that it is quality not quantity. Quindos is used by some very sophisticated facilities/companies (LANL, LosAlmos National Labs, Stanford Linear Accelerator, NIST, CAT) to do complicated measurement/analysis that PC-DMIS can not. (For example, NIST is using Quindos on a Leitz machine to certify master API thread gages. Another facility is using Q to check master gear artifacts.)
To reply to rangerboat72 and Jan d, a bit of history is in order, so here it goes. Back in 1990 (if I recall correctly) B&S bought Leitz. With that purchase, they got Quindos. At the time B&S had AVAIL/MM4/MM3 as softwares. B&S decided to develop a common software, and a new division of B&S was created, called BSIS (B&S Information Services). This divison of B&S took over ownership of B&S's software, and mandated that a new software was to be developed, call XactMeasure. Thus, development was halted on all other software. Well the Quindos developers at Leitz decided to leave and form their own company, called MTWZ (MessTechnik Wetzlar). Therefore, the time frame during which BSIS controlled the softwares, there was little developement in Quindos. Well, B&S fell on financially hard times, and was purchased by Hexagon. But Hexagon did not purchase BSIS. So B&S partnered with Wilcox and Associates (WAI) to sell it's software, PC-DMIS. Eventually, Hexagon bought WAI. So as of right now, Hexagon owns PC-DMIS (thru owning WAI). It's a bit complicated, but at the same time, Hexagon owns rights/source code to Quindos, but is licensed between MTWZ. (Some of the dates and sequence may be off slightly, but that's my recollection/understanding) (Jan d. Who are you? Contact me)
To cmmguy, I like it about the 'didn´t have to' comment, funny. In my opinion, Quindos has been cutting edge. Quindos was sold on vision system over 20 years ago, long before the other software. (My understanding is that Quindos was initially develop for measuring microscopes of Leitz/Leica). Quindos has been measuring gears and blades for over 15 years, long before the other software. That's not to say that Quindos is perfect. The delay in developing CAD tools did make it appear out of date.
My comments and rantings. If you've read this far, thanks
Steven Wojciechowski
Applications Engineer
Hexagon Metrology
(401) 886-2715
