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Was in a production meeting waiting for it to start. People were talking about random things and of course "Covid" gets brought up. (please realize the irony that I am in a closed & unventilated room with these people..because they were willing to share their vaccine status they get to be maskless...because i refuse to share my status they assume i am not vaccinated and therefore force me to wear a mask).

Production Assistant: "Hey, did you all notice how its literally ONLY the engineers and programmers who don't want to get vaccinated? Why is that?"

Machinist: "They have critical thinking skills. Most of the people here (motioning to the room) do what they're told at work and in life".

Room went dead silent, a few people chuckled, am starting to get really turned off by people. =/ Was very uncomfortable sitting there as a "second class" employee with a mask on.
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  • -Regarding medication to treat symptoms of COVID, According to the FDA website, there's 1,843 studies for treating symptoms and potential vaccines ( https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/resul...+Infections%22). The studies unfortunately take time, lots of time. Until methods are approved by the FDA (the most rigorous of global medical trial standards) hospitals and medical practitioners cannot administer any FDA-unauthorized treatments. If they did, they would get sued for malpractice and lose their medical licenses. If you think other countries effectiveness trials and approved treatments are sufficient, I presume you (again, a hypothetical "you") could fly to that country and seek care there.

    This is the most comedic statement made if you ask me. Why do medications already FDA approved as treatments for other Corona Viruses and other diseases take more time to approve than a new experimental vaccine? You claim to bring logic to the table but it appears you throw it all out the window because you're not looking at it objectively. Your using your bias to make your decision. If you ask me the logical thing to do would be question why something new is being pushed harder than existing treatments. This is not me saying it doesn't work. I am simply stating that I believe it would have been in our best interest to focus our money on pursuing research on already existing treatments.

    Wanna talk facts and data? There are over 286 trials with 4,610 scientists and 411,347 patients all showing that using Hydroxychloroquine ALONE in the early stages of infection reduce hospitalizations by 64%. 75% decrease in mortality. But if not treated early the percentages drop drastically. HCQ is already used to treat a variety of illnesses and is already FDA approved. Why is this not being reported? With a total of 4,665,684 deaths if we had been prescribing HCQ with each positive test there would only be 1,166,421 deaths. That's a totally different situation.

    and those numbers don't include other drugs that can be prescribed with these drugs that could also reduce symptoms and decrease mortality.
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  • -Regarding medication to treat symptoms of COVID, According to the FDA website, there's 1,843 studies for treating symptoms and potential vaccines ( https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/resul...+Infections%22). The studies unfortunately take time, lots of time. Until methods are approved by the FDA (the most rigorous of global medical trial standards) hospitals and medical practitioners cannot administer any FDA-unauthorized treatments. If they did, they would get sued for malpractice and lose their medical licenses. If you think other countries effectiveness trials and approved treatments are sufficient, I presume you (again, a hypothetical "you") could fly to that country and seek care there.

    This is the most comedic statement made if you ask me. Why do medications already FDA approved as treatments for other Corona Viruses and other diseases take more time to approve than a new experimental vaccine? You claim to bring logic to the table but it appears you throw it all out the window because you're not looking at it objectively. Your using your bias to make your decision. If you ask me the logical thing to do would be question why something new is being pushed harder than existing treatments. This is not me saying it doesn't work. I am simply stating that I believe it would have been in our best interest to focus our money on pursuing research on already existing treatments.

    Wanna talk facts and data? There are over 286 trials with 4,610 scientists and 411,347 patients all showing that using Hydroxychloroquine ALONE in the early stages of infection reduce hospitalizations by 64%. 75% decrease in mortality. But if not treated early the percentages drop drastically. HCQ is already used to treat a variety of illnesses and is already FDA approved. Why is this not being reported? With a total of 4,665,684 deaths if we had been prescribing HCQ with each positive test there would only be 1,166,421 deaths. That's a totally different situation.

    and those numbers don't include other drugs that can be prescribed with these drugs that could also reduce symptoms and decrease mortality.
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