Vaccine Conversation Today

-Regarding medication to treat symptoms of COVID, According to the FDA website, there's 1,843 studies for treating symptoms and potential vaccines ( https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/resul...+Infections%22). The studies unfortunately take time, lots of time. Until methods are approved by the FDA (the most rigorous of global medical trial standards) hospitals and medical practitioners cannot administer any FDA-unauthorized treatments. If they did, they would get sued for malpractice and lose their medical licenses. If you think other countries effectiveness trials and approved treatments are sufficient, I presume you (again, a hypothetical "you") could fly to that country and seek care there.

This is the most comedic statement made if you ask me. Why do medications already FDA approved as treatments for other Corona Viruses and other diseases take more time to approve than a new experimental vaccine? You claim to bring logic to the table but it appears you throw it all out the window because you're not looking at it objectively. Your using your bias to make your decision. If you ask me the logical thing to do would be question why something new is being pushed harder than existing treatments. This is not me saying it doesn't work. I am simply stating that I believe it would have been in our best interest to focus our money on pursuing research on already existing treatments.

Wanna talk facts and data? There are over 286 trials with 4,610 scientists and 411,347 patients all showing that using Hydroxychloroquine ALONE in the early stages of infection reduce hospitalizations by 64%. 75% decrease in mortality. But if not treated early the percentages drop drastically. HCQ is already used to treat a variety of illnesses and is already FDA approved. Why is this not being reported? With a total of 4,665,684 deaths if we had been prescribing HCQ with each positive test there would only be 1,166,421 deaths. That's a totally different situation.

and those numbers don't include other drugs that can be prescribed with these drugs that could also reduce symptoms and decrease mortality.

Agreed.

Drugs and treatments are used as indicated, and are explicitly FDA approved to be used as indicated, even as explicitly as dosage constraints.
--If doctors want to use an FDA approved drug for a treatment that was not in scope with the FDA approval, they are equally at risk of malpractice and potentially stripped of medical license.
--A simple example: you wouldn't pour vegetable oil into your vehicle's crankcase every 3k miles, until someone else proved it can keep your engine running for 200k miles, right? It's oil, it should work... You going to do it? I bet you say no.

Normally (pre covid) to get a drug & treatment using a drug FDA approved, it takes ~4 years. Studies that show promising results during early clinical trials can get fast-tracked, with approval from our country's leadership (congress, etc). In addition, I presume FDA has stated criteria to determine which ones are eligible for EUA and accelerated trials.

Specifically for Hydroxychloroquine & treatment of COVID19 symptoms:
This trail was terminated:
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04421664?cond=%22Coronavirus+Infections%22&phase=2&draw=2&rank=5
because it was not conclusive to help patients. https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-4207

This trial has no results published.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04322123?cond=%22Coronavirus+Infections%22&phase=2&draw=3&rank=17

This one was suspended apparenlty because they couldn't get enough volunteers.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04341727?cond=%22Coronavirus+Infections%22&phase=2&draw=3&rank=19

This one was withdrawn, because they didn't see the need anymore at the time apparently.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04342156?cond=%22Coronavirus+Infections%22&phase=2&draw=4&rank=23

Go down the list i provided. Look for yourself. This is the crap I do to make my own conclusions, and i advise everyone to look at the data, instead of listening to talking heads and redistributing falsehoods, rumors, and memes.

Agreed.

Drugs and treatments are used as indicated, and are explicitly FDA approved to be used as indicated, even as explicitly as dosage constraints.
--If doctors want to use an FDA approved drug for a treatment that was not in scope with the FDA approval, they are equally at risk of malpractice and potentially stripped of medical license.
--A simple example: you wouldn't pour vegetable oil into your vehicle's crankcase every 3k miles, until someone else proved it can keep your engine running for 200k miles, right? It's oil, it should work... You going to do it? I bet you say no.

Normally (pre covid) to get a drug & treatment using a drug FDA approved, it takes ~4 years. Studies that show promising results during early clinical trials can get fast-tracked, with approval from our country's leadership (congress, etc). In addition, I presume FDA has stated criteria to determine which ones are eligible for EUA and accelerated trials.

Specifically for Hydroxychloroquine & treatment of COVID19 symptoms:
This trail was terminated:
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04421664?cond=%22Coronavirus+Infections%22&phase=2&draw=2&rank=5
because it was not conclusive to help patients. https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-4207

This trial has no results published.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04322123?cond=%22Coronavirus+Infections%22&phase=2&draw=3&rank=17

This one was suspended apparenlty because they couldn't get enough volunteers.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04341727?cond=%22Coronavirus+Infections%22&phase=2&draw=3&rank=19

This one was withdrawn, because they didn't see the need anymore at the time apparently.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04342156?cond=%22Coronavirus+Infections%22&phase=2&draw=4&rank=23

Go down the list i provided. Look for yourself. This is the crap I do to make my own conclusions, and i advise everyone to look at the data, instead of listening to talking heads and redistributing falsehoods, rumors, and memes.