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Was in a production meeting waiting for it to start. People were talking about random things and of course "Covid" gets brought up. (please realize the irony that I am in a closed & unventilated room with these people..because they were willing to share their vaccine status they get to be maskless...because i refuse to share my status they assume i am not vaccinated and therefore force me to wear a mask).

Production Assistant: "Hey, did you all notice how its literally ONLY the engineers and programmers who don't want to get vaccinated? Why is that?"

Machinist: "They have critical thinking skills. Most of the people here (motioning to the room) do what they're told at work and in life".

Room went dead silent, a few people chuckled, am starting to get really turned off by people. =/ Was very uncomfortable sitting there as a "second class" employee with a mask on.
  • in reply to A-machine-insp
    My shop is less than 100 employees but we do parts for the military. Not sure what the plan is there. I had to get the vaccine though because I am one of the primary caregivers for my dad. I have to take him to the hospital for chemo and tests and such.
  • in reply to A-machine-insp
    The moment they ask me to do anything I will tell my boss that ill take the weekly tests under 2 conditions. It will be on COMPANY time. and also I will NOT pay for it when it inevitably comes to that. If its a no deal I have a place to go and work as a backup with less than 100 employees.

    Luckily i had a conversation with my boss yesterday about my performance and he made clear that they want to keep me happy and on board.
  • in reply to A-machine-insp
    How will you ensure that they won't tell you what you want to hear to keep you there in the short term?
  • in reply to A-machine-insp
    Signed documentation with a legal witness. Everything would be in writing. If they decide to fire me down the road I would then be eligible to collect unemployment due to their agreement to my contract.
  • in reply to A-machine-insp
    It's awful that people have to go to these extents.
  • in reply to A-machine-insp
    I don't know how to tag people in comments or else I would tag you. the @ symbol aint workin.

    But you're not kidding. It really is a shame. And at the end of the day I do not have any problems with my employer at all. I actually love my job. I plan to retire from this place. But the current administration is forcing their hand which forces mine. And if more people fight back the way I will maybe these companies will talk to state Governors and pressure them to issue executive orders at the state level fighting against the "requirement" Georgia and Texas already have.
  • in reply to A-machine-insp
    You are correct. It's going to take many people fighting back. I know "75%" seems like a small (?) percentage to the administration, hence the applied force on the remaining "25%", but it scares me that <<25% will fight to get out from under the applied force. The numbers are not very promising.
  • Ok guys, I've gotta be a bit logical here. because that's how I am. Logical.

    #1. The @georgiaparkerhilton image above is absolutely bonkers. If you actually understand how clinical trials work for FDA approval, the vaccines did complete three of four phases of clinical trials. The fourth phase is in fact to assess long term efficacy and reactions to the treatment, and yes it obviously does require baseline populations. However, think logically here guys. there's literally billions of people in over a hundred countries without a single effective vaccine doled out yet. Do you really believe that's the goal? hogwash. Anyone in the word can be a control subject, and we are talking about phase 4 clinical trials typically having sample sets in the tens -to- hundreds of thousands, not 46% of the population of the United States (that's over 150million people unvaccinated at this moment).

    #2: I can't disagree with the fact that there's a money trail. I also can't disagree that there's anterior motives to this whole COVID deal. What it absolutely is not, is political or separatist.
    --Ultimately, in my opinion, COVID is the elite's effort at population control. The politics, the medical companies, the talking heads in the media splitting the nation/world into classes it's all a natural response to the elite's effort to control population. They (the elites) believe population control is the only answer to preventing societal collapse, and ultimately the collapse of mankind. Less mouths to feed equals, lower carbon footprint, longer time this ball is going to sustain life.

    #3: Drug manufacturers obviously benefit financially from this, but they aren't producing a vaccine for a virus, just for 'ish and giggles'. Nor are they doing it with nefarious reasons. They are legitimately attempting to save lives. Which I mean, hard numbers reported globally, do not lie. The vaccines (generic term here, for any treatments being produced and distributed by any country or manufacturer WORLDWIDE) are saving lives. Any clinical and proven effective treatment should be considered to save your life and the lives of those whom you love. Now, if you go and start eating horse-doses of ivermectin, injecting or consuming bleach, or any other of these crackpot unproven methods... That's just another contribution to the elite's agenda, but simply by means of 'natural selection' (you're so dumb you kill/critically injure yourself).

    I'm sure my perspective is not in alignment with many agendas and societal norms. IDGAF. My perspective is my own, and a result of my own extensive observing, and fact checking. You don't like it? Cool, I respect you and your perspectives as well. But please don't be a parrot/sheeple by pushing separatist, political, or patently false information.
  • Ok guys, I've gotta be a bit logical here. because that's how I am. Logical.

    #1. The @georgiaparkerhilton image above is absolutely bonkers. If you actually understand how clinical trials work for FDA approval, the vaccines did complete three of four phases of clinical trials. The fourth phase is in fact to assess long term efficacy and reactions to the treatment, and yes it obviously does require baseline populations. However, think logically here guys. there's literally billions of people in over a hundred countries without a single effective vaccine doled out yet. Do you really believe that's the goal? hogwash. Anyone in the word can be a control subject, and we are talking about phase 4 clinical trials typically having sample sets in the tens -to- hundreds of thousands, not 46% of the population of the United States (that's over 150million people unvaccinated at this moment).

    #2: I can't disagree with the fact that there's a money trail. I also can't disagree that there's anterior motives to this whole COVID deal. What it absolutely is not, is political or separatist.
    --Ultimately, in my opinion, COVID is the elite's effort at population control. The politics, the medical companies, the talking heads in the media splitting the nation/world into classes it's all a natural response to the elite's effort to control population. They (the elites) believe population control is the only answer to preventing societal collapse, and ultimately the collapse of mankind. Less mouths to feed equals, lower carbon footprint, longer time this ball is going to sustain life.

    #3: Drug manufacturers obviously benefit financially from this, but they aren't producing a vaccine for a virus, just for 'ish and giggles'. Nor are they doing it with nefarious reasons. They are legitimately attempting to save lives. Which I mean, hard numbers reported globally, do not lie. The vaccines (generic term here, for any treatments being produced and distributed by any country or manufacturer WORLDWIDE) are saving lives. Any clinical and proven effective treatment should be considered to save your life and the lives of those whom you love. Now, if you go and start eating horse-doses of ivermectin, injecting or consuming bleach, or any other of these crackpot unproven methods... That's just another contribution to the elite's agenda, but simply by means of 'natural selection' (you're so dumb you kill/critically injure yourself).

    I'm sure my perspective is not in alignment with many agendas and societal norms. IDGAF. My perspective is my own, and a result of my own extensive observing, and fact checking. You don't like it? Cool, I respect you and your perspectives as well. But please don't be a parrot/sheeple by pushing separatist, political, or patently false information.

    #1. While I agree with you on the control group being crazy... I don't believe that you can compare people from the opposite side of the world from yourself and call them the control group. Even within the united states there are illnesses and ailments that effect people of different ethnicity and illness from geographical location as well. It would be a sloppy control group scientifically.

    #2. I agree. I hate saying I agree because I feel crazy saying it but I agree.

    #3. While I agree that they are trying to save lives with the vaccine I believe they are misrepresenting the necessity of a vaccine and undervaluing the actual need for prescription drugs prescribed by a doctor. If you go to front line doctors . org you can be prescribed proven effective drugs that diminish hospitalizations by 80%. If they were prescribed for everyone who is diagnosed with covid this would be an entirely different "pandimic"
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