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I have a new guy that just started and is telling me that, as of PC Dmis 2018, the software doesn't calculate round slot lengths, widths and locations correctly. So he measures all slots as square slots. 

I've been checking round slots for years with no issues and very good correlation between the CMM and hard gages. I would think, if there was an issue like this going back to 2018, it would have been addressed or something. 

Does any of this make sense to anyone or do I have a new guy making things up?

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  • If the length of the round slot is long enough (judgement call here) then I always switch it to a square slot, for a couple reasons.  One being that it takes less hits to measure a square slot than a round one (if you do it right, anyway, 6 hits is NOT enough for a round slot, 3 at each end, while a square slot, width measurement, is 6 hits).  Two, when working with pierce sheet metal, the actual radius at each end can be slightly boinked, so by measuring it as a square slot, you get a better length result over round slot since the square slot (width measurement) measure the flat sides first, then takes hits at the mid-line of the sides on the ends of the radii.

  • I work with castings and solid pieces of steel or aluminum, very few sheet metal items. Normally, I do 4-6 hits on each end and 2-4 along the flats. A part was checked and all the slots reported as .005" below nominal. I knew that the CMM result was correct because the machinist told me he had a wrong tool and confirmed it with hard gages. This new guy was going to write off the .005" deviation as "machine error" because he claimed PC Dmis cannot calculate round slots correctly. I could see maybe .0005"-.001", but .005" seems a bit excessive.

    This guy is a younger programmer and is constantly criticizing older programs that our other programmer and myself wrote and have been using for years. At first, it was just we were not using the latest and greatest features. Now, he is telling us things like PC Dmis cannot calculate round slots or Keyin dimension can be used to insert text/comments in reports.

    I'm trying to figure out if he is full of it or there is something I was unaware of. It's been about 10 years since I've been through and formal CMM training.

  • Not sure if your new programmer is full of anything, but I can confirm 1.  PC-DMIS can measure round slots and 2. The Key-in dimension item is a handy tool and works as he describes. 

  • Step 1: Roll up your morning paper
    Step 2: Wait for the young buck to say something about your old programs
    Step 3: Smack him on the nose with your rolled up newspaper and firmly say "No!"
    Step 4: Tell him to sit down and explain himself with small words and show you exactly what he is talking about
    Step 5: Brace yourself because the lil *** might be right! 

    Once you have completed steps 1-5 a few times though, you will both like each other more and both have learned a few things. 

    Yes you can measure round slots.
    Yes you can key in dimensions and have them displayed on the report, comments as well. 
    Yes .005" is too much to shrug off as "machine error" (see steps 1-5) (however if the alignment is poor, or the slot is far enough off location .005 "error" could easily happen)

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  • Step 1: Roll up your morning paper
    Step 2: Wait for the young buck to say something about your old programs
    Step 3: Smack him on the nose with your rolled up newspaper and firmly say "No!"
    Step 4: Tell him to sit down and explain himself with small words and show you exactly what he is talking about
    Step 5: Brace yourself because the lil *** might be right! 

    Once you have completed steps 1-5 a few times though, you will both like each other more and both have learned a few things. 

    Yes you can measure round slots.
    Yes you can key in dimensions and have them displayed on the report, comments as well. 
    Yes .005" is too much to shrug off as "machine error" (see steps 1-5) (however if the alignment is poor, or the slot is far enough off location .005 "error" could easily happen)

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