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Silicon Nitride Probe life duration

I feel like we are going through probes very quickly. We do a lot of aluminum parts. Some of them are decent size. maybe 1 foot in width 2 feet in length. We do a lot of scanning because flatness is usually a concern. I had to replace my 1mm probe this morning because it was not getting accurate results. I got some pictures of it and it looks like material is already in bedded in it even though its got that nitride coating on it. I cant find a clear answer online so im hoping that i could get some info from the forums on what people are seeing on how often they are changing probes that are used for manly scanning.

I use all auto features for scanning planes for flatness. So what ever the software decides is the what I use for speed.
One picture is the side of the probe. That's the one that has the circles on the probe. The other one is top down. That could either be the glue holding it onto the step, or a flat. Hard to tell im leaning twords the glue hold the ruby onto the stem.

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  • I've never used any other probes besides the ruby tipped ones. The only ever had one fail calibration on me I suspect was not due to wear even though it was probably 5 years old or more. Most likely dropped even though no one would admit it. Rolling eyes I have had the glue fail on tips and I've seen them fall off during a routine.
  • I've never used any other probes besides the ruby tipped ones. The only ever had one fail calibration on me I suspect was not due to wear even though it was probably 5 years old or more. Most likely dropped even though no one would admit it. Rolling eyes I have had the glue fail on tips and I've seen them fall off during a routine.


    Falling off? Are you cleaning them with alcohol? Because that can cause the adhesive to break down...Dry/lint-free wipes are the way to go.
  • I've never used alcohol to clean the tips. I suspect some rough manual alignments may have been the reason behind the failures. Considering I've seen an operator drive the tip down hard enough to break the magnet on the module, so rough handling may be a bit of a conservative description. literally full sent the tip into the part.
  • Is it embedded or can the aluminum be cleaned off the ball?
  • From Renishaw's site:


    Ruby


    The industry standard and the optimum stylus ball material for a vast majority of measurement applications, ruby is one of the hardest known materials. Synthetic ruby is 99% pure aluminium oxide which is grown into crystals (or "boules") at 2000 °C using the Verneuil process.

    The boules are then cut and gradually machined into a highly spherical form. Ruby balls are exceptionally smooth on the surface, have great compressive strength and a high resistance to mechanical corrosion.

    Very few applications exist where ruby is not the preferred ball material, however there are two applications where balls manufactured from other materials are recommended.

    The first is for heavy duty scanning applications on aluminium. Because the materials attract, a phenomenon known as 'adhesive wear' can occur, which involves build up of aluminium from the surface onto the ball. A better ball material for such applications is silicon nitride.

    The second is in heavy duty scanning applications on cast iron. Interaction between the two materials can result in 'abrasive wear' of the ruby ball surface. For such applications, zirconia balls are recommended. Silicon nitride


    Silicon nitride possesses many similar properties to ruby. It is a very hard and wear-resistant ceramic which can be machined into high precision spheres. It can also be polished to an extremely smooth surface finish.

    Silicon nitride does not have an attraction to aluminium and so does not exhibit the adhesive wear seen with ruby in similar applications. However, silicon nitride does show significant abrasive wear characteristics when scanning on steel surfaces and so its applications are best confined to aluminium.


    Normally they should last a long time based on this info. It would be worth to contact the provider if not.
  • hi,

    i try to avoid scanning aluminum, because the probe then picks up material to quickly and is no longer usable.

    it gets better with harder aluminum, but you can't usually choose the material​
    picking up soft material on the probe during scanning can never be avoided, you can only optimize the service life of the probe

    the lifetime is significantly increased the less you scan, leave the scanning of unnecessary elements from the parts
    maybe you can discuss with your colleagues / customers where it really has to be and where not .

    the better the surface roughness of the probe sphere, the less material is picked up.
    Silicon Nitride Probe is optimal, best is diamond sphere​ with 1000+ Euro per probe ^^

  • However, silicon nitride does show significant abrasive wear characteristics when scanning on steel surfaces and so its applications are best confined to aluminium.
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    I can attest to this. I bought some silicon nitride styli a few years ago to scan powdered metal components. After a couple of hundred parts, they were junk.
    Ruby styli last for years.
  • anyone experiment/study with an ultra sonic cleaner with distilled water and see if the glue and coatings hold up?
  • Ultrasonic gets hot and there is a chemical in it. it will destroy your probe.
  • What offset force do you scan at? Si 3N 4 should work fine unless (as stated above) it is cheap soft aluminum. Ask if discrete hits are ok, Engineer may want the density.