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Runout Question

I have a shaft with two separate bearing journals that together make up datum A-B.

I measured three separate circles for each journal, constructed cast points at each circle and then used those points to construct a line. I leveled to this line.

My question is, can I set this line to Datum A-B for measuring runouts or do I need to make the actual journal cylinders datum A-B for runouts. Attached is a little sketch.
Thanks in advance.

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  • As said, the correct way to measure the datums is to measure them as cylinders, using enough hits and levels to ensure you capture a true representation of the surface. , you say you are using 2022.1 which means you have access to the geometric tolerance command. That makes it really easy - measure datum A as a cylinder and then define as datum A, measure datum B as a cylinder and define as datum B then, from the datum definition dialog, click the "common datum" checkbox and select datum A and B from the list to define common datum A-B. Finally, create your runout.

    Whenever you are using geometric tolerance commands, you should always use the simplest approach possible, sticking to measured-features, auto-features or scans wherever possible. This is because the geometric tolerance command takes a completely different approach to previous dimensioning methods, acting on the hits of the features and datums rather than taking their pre-resolved solutions. BF/BFRE constructions can be used where necessary, because they store the hit information. However, most other constructions just make life more difficult and lead to problems because they do not contain any hits.

    Most of the other approaches discussed on this forum - constructing points from centroids, measuring as circles, building lines - are attempts to work around the limitations of old CMM software and dimensioning tools. With PC-DMIS legacy dimensioning for example, the user is required to interpret the print and then build an alignment representing the datum reference frame - hence the common approach of constructing a 3D line through the centroids of circles.
  • Thanks for the very informative reply Neil. I have one more question if you don't mind, should I be leveling to just one of the cylinders or both of the cylinders? They are different diameter's so that's what throws me off.
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