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Trying to create a plane off the stand pins to be able to zero out on it.

Hello,

           I am new to CMM programing and have hit a snag. I am trying to create a plane sperate from my CAD drawling so I can raise my part off the granite. How ever I need this plan to allow me to zero it. Like you would do for a manual CMM. When I went to program the plane, I told the vectors that it was <0,0,1> instead of <0,0, -1> . I leveled and origin to the plane in both manual and DCC. Then moved working with the CAD drawling, I was hoping that when I create a plane on the inside of the part that it would recognize that the part was on top of the plane. 

           How ever after I finished doing the manual and DCC alignments for the actual CAD drawling and then went to do the first play though, the CMM errored out each time after trying to take the first four hits for the plane underneath the CAD drawling. 

          So, my question is, is it possible to create a raised plane off the granite and if so,, how do you do this? Any help would be greatly appreciated, thank you for your time. 

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  • I'm probably way off base here but I've had to use standoffs as part of my Z origin at times (like when using the plane as a datum simulator), although typically I'll try to use 2-4-6 blocks if possible so that I can still probe in that area while the part is loaded.  I know that's not always an option.  Anyway, what I've done may be considered crude, but I'll align entirely with the pins at first (plane, 3D line between diameters and the x/y origin at one of the pins), then load the part and do another alignment with the part, still using that plane as the level/z origin.  I used to use calypso and that software has something called "search distance," which is pretty much a separate pre-hit/retract distance from the rest of the program and is often used to locate parts safely when loading the part just by "eyeballing" where it should be.  That said, I've done something similar with PC-DMIS by doing a progressive alignment using a larger pre-hit/retract distance just for the alignment, especially in the case where I'm not entirely sure of the exact location of the standoffs/pins relative to the sides of my part.  Not sure if that offers any insight whatsoever but that's one of many ways to get the job done in a situation like yours.

  • Is the "search distance" parameter from the Calpyso software similar to the "Check" parameter that is in PC-DMIS?

  • Check distance is the amount it will continue to search before it gives up, right?  If so, no, that's a separate setting in calypso.  Search distance is really just a quick way of changing your pre-hit/retract for finding the part and can be made default for alignments or anything else if desired, sort of like having pre-set strategies in PC-DMIS for certain features.  Also, I haven't used calypso since 2022 so things could've changed since then.