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Measuring Threads on the CMM...

Good evening,
What is the best way to measure threads on the CMM? I would just use a thread gage and put it in the report but I was asked to write them in the program. Thank you in advance.
  • When it comes to reporting true position of threads do you leave out the dia of the thread? If you do report the dia what is the tolerance? Do you just use the nominal dia pcdmis comes up with? There are a few different ways that people have programmed threads. Some left the dia out and just reported the position and some reported the dia with a tolerance. I just cant seem to figure out how they came up with a dia and tolerance.


    I only report the position when measuring threads. To many form variables like burrs and debris that will report inaccurately in regard to the major/minor diameters. Thread gauge, Pins etc. are the only way to report size in my opinion.
    Always ensure your pitch is set properly as well Slight smile
  • Some insert specs require a modified minor diameter size (for internal threads). The objective of checking internal threads is to primarily obtain location, and a secondary objective is to get an "idea" of the minor diameter. When checking threads I refer to the Machinist Handbook for minor diameter size and tolerance and use that as my nominal and tolerance scheme to get "an idea" of whether or not the thread size is correct. I have caught incorrect thread sizes and minor diameters using this technique.
    In other words, I do include diameter size on most threads, and add verbiage if it measures OOT but measures ok with a pin or other double check method.


  • I only report the position when measuring threads. To many form variables like burrs and debris that will report inaccurately in regard to the major/minor diameters. Thread gauge, Pins etc. are the only way to report size in my opinion.
    Always ensure your pitch is set properly as well Slight smile


    Form errors also affect position......

    Using the pitch function in auto circles/ auto cylinders generally works well. Threads have to be well formed.

    Difficult if not impossible to get a highly accurate minor thread diameter using a CMM. Major and Pitch Diameters are impossible.


    I have used threaded inserts to improve position results but they are a royal pain to remove and replace. They get lost easily and you will forget to put one in on the hour long program for the hot part that you're running.


  • Form errors also affect position......

    Using the pitch function in auto circles/ auto cylinders generally works well. Threads have to be well formed.

    Difficult if not impossible to get a highly accurate minor thread diameter using a CMM. Major and Pitch Diameters are impossible.


    I have used threaded inserts to improve position results but they are a royal pain to remove and replace. They get lost easily and you will forget to put one in on the hour-long program for the hot part that you're running.


    My best effort was a set of bottle brushes to remove any debris, burrs after pushing a pin into the minor diameter to "clean up the peaks". True position locating inserts for threads was deemed unnecessary at my old job where they didn't see the value of buying locators or really anything that was requested to increase our capabilities and accuracy. My new job already has a set for every type of thread they machine along with all the other cool metrology toys I never had.
    Those long programs can be frustrating...I'm currently measuring a batch of 80 parts that have a 30-minute-long program. Disappointed
  • That's crazy...I think the longest program I've ever written was just under an hour. And it was just for an FAI. Smiley
  • The Leitz B5 controller can scan in the thread flanks. I have used ti many times. it is a little temperamental because it will work perfectly when creating the program and then it wont during execution...
    I measured a drilled / bored hole first. tapped the hole then scanned and was very close. We use thread mills mostly because of the positioning accuracy. Rigid tap holders break too often and floating holders are not that repeatable in location / orientation. for most drill only holes. if your worried about location, drill, bore, mill thread. (IMHO)
  • wondering why you would not use a cylinder probe to measure threaded hole position?
  • Because a cylinder probe cannot be made or qualified to be physically square to any of the CMM axis, because of this you will get an incorrect reading for the position of the threaded hole. If you use a spherical probe it doesn't need to be, as there is a distance between the ruby and the shank that holds the ruby.